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I'm simply not skilled enough to do this re-scoring, but if anyone with extra time has any interest in re-scoring other past competitions like even Sochi with this new system, I'd be very excited to see the results.
“my point i guess is more along these lines : i acknowledged your reply because you took time to write it... Simple courtesy.”
I think people forget sometimes that "hitting all the bullets" can only get you max GOE if there are no flaws with the rest of the jump that reduce said GOE.
"I even gave +4s to some of the elements". Whoa, that's some harsh judging!
He still got a slew of 9.50/9.75s too, which, let's be honest is way too lenient judging for a performance with a major error. Every component other than TR (which are usually lower for every skater) averaged 9.50 and above.
If 2+ falls/serious errors out of 7 jumping passes having a serious error merits 9.5 max for SS/TR/CO and 9.0 max for PE/IN, then it stands to say that 1 out of 3 jumping passes with a major error should be treated similarly.
His PCS score was 47.35. Like, come on “
And, as someone else pointed out, what happens with skaters who typically get PCS in the 80s? Do their PCS go down less when they make major mistakes than someone whose PCS is typically in the 90s?
I think it’s more the idea of rewarding high quality. So a program with more mistakes can still beat an equally difficult program. However, you can’t win with raw TES value unless the elements are also well done.Most of those new guidelines are based on rewarding 'clean programmes' more than it was the case before. We will see how it all plains out, but generally most of the judges were actually applaying a lot of things which are now litteraly written.
I’ve been checking out the new system using a worksheet I made. I’m still tweaking the formatting but I can send it to you when it’s done. Obviously, the results are going to be skewed because when I score I keep the GOE guidelines in front of me, and literally pause the video, count the positive bullets, subtract the negative bullets. Judges don’t have that luxury. Not to mention, most of the programs are on video at better angles than judges get - I'm actually starting to feel some sympathy for the judges. IJS seems to expect you to have eagle vision, encyclopedic memory, the ability to do math in 1/4 of a second, and hyperfocus on each tiny segment while still being able to clearly see the whole.I'm simply not skilled enough to do this re-scoring, but if anyone with extra time has any interest in re-scoring other past competitions like even Sochi with this new system, I'd be very excited to see the results.
I’ve been checking out the new system using a worksheet I made. I’m still tweaking the formatting but I can send it to you when it’s done. Obviously, the results are going to be skewed because when I score I keep the GOE guidelines in front of me, and literally pause the video, count the positive bullets, subtract the negative bullets. Judges don’t have that luxury. Not to mention, most of the programs are on video at better angles than judges get - I'm actually starting to feel some sympathy for the judges. IJS seems to expect you to have eagle vision, encyclopedic memory, the ability to do math in 1/4 of a second, and hyperfocus on each tiny segment while still being able to clearly see the whole.
Which is why I think a split judge panel might be important going forward, so I kind of hope the technical committee does make a proposal for the next Congress that expands on the Netherlands' proposal and answers the questions asked during this past Congress about it.
Which is why I think a split judge panel might be important going forward, so I kind of hope the technical committee does make a proposal for the next Congress that expands on the Netherlands' proposal and answers the questions asked during this past Congress about it.
One thing I noticed is that if you go purely by GOE bullets, there can be noticeable differences in quality but get the same score. This is especially a problem for vague requirements - I interpret the phrase "good speed and/or acceleration during spin" as meaning simply "not slow" as opposed to "superior" speed so I ended up giving Chan equal or higher marks for all his spins even though they are clearly slower.
I also find myself being pretty lenient with "element matches the music" - as long as it hits some sort of beat or phrasing of the music I've been giving everyone credit though that doesn't differentiate between those who are able to express nuance in the music during the element vs those who merely place the element where it pretty much fits.
alterations to the backloading bonus rules ultimately did not have a very significant effect on competition results, at least in the competitions I examined. Alina is still Olympic Champion off the back of her high GOEs and BV and perfectly competitive PCS. The gap between Alina+Evgenia and the others did not change very much and in some cases actually widened under application of the new rules, largely because the two of them also receive very high GOE scores.
Though the gap between Alina and Evgenia narrowed, I believe this has as much to do with Zhenya's higher GOEs in the FS as it does with Alina's backloading (Alina lost a couple points on her first 3Lz because she received relatively low GOE for that element.) Therefore, all this drama about backloading may, at the end of the day, be much ado about nothing.
I don't know how many other ways I can say "It sucks", but it does.
also strange, was in the process of scoring 2014 Olympics and can't find Patrick's long program on youtube.
That is odd because it was on there, I know because in my first flush of fannish enthusiasm I downloaded an awful lot, hoping to at least start to learn a bit (if only who I like best). Okay, most of the vids I still have are my favourites but I checked the hard drive and do have both of Patrick's skates at Sochi (the Four Seasons, I do always notice the music). I can upload it to youtube on one of my google accounts if you like..."
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kf-0ct53q0w
One thing I never noticed until I re-scored, Hanyu didn't get any credit for his 3 salchow on his lutz combo.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kf-0ct53q0w
One thing I never noticed until I re-scored, Hanyu didn't get any credit for his 3 salchow on his lutz combo.
I got bored with all the talk of the men so I decided to see how this would work with the Olympic Ladies results. I used the same methodology as Shanshani-- except that I transplanted exactly the same GOE scores as the judges gave between -3 and +3-- and got somewhat different results.
Well, that actually benefited him because if his 3S had been scored as a separate jumping pass, and thus his 8th one, then his 2nd 3Z (which is worth about 2 points more than a 3S) wouldn't have counted at all.
But it was weird that it wasn't counted, as if he never even executed it, when he clearly did.