Yuzuru Hanyu: 2019-2021
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I understand how you feel because that was what I had felt in the past, too. I have finally gotten used to not posting in the Edge, but honestly it took some some time for it since I had been enjoying there for a long time. I really can't tell you what you should do or not do, but I'll be glad if you choose to stay here.
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I apologize for making a fuss yesterday and thank you for your concerns. I guess if I want to talk about a technical issue that is related to Yuzu, I will post it here instead of posting in the edge
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The summary of my thoughts on the similar base values of 4Lz, 4F and 4L:
1. Yes, bringing the BV of 4L in the range of 4Lz and 4F potentially benefits Yuzuru.
2. As SkatingIsLife had posted in the edge thread and no one takes notice, if both Yuzu and another skater make an error on jumps this can be a possible scenario:
4Lz (BV 11.00) 4Lz<< = BV 5.30 (3Lz) skaters loses 5.70 points of the BV
4F (BV 11.00) 4F<< = BV 5.30 (3F) skaters loses 5.70 points of the BV
4Lo (BV 11.00) 4Lo<< = BV 4.90 (3Lo) skaters loses 6.10 points of the BV
So, now we have to hold our breath when Yuzu does 4L with the same intensity that we do when he does a 4Lz
3. Again another poster, maybe Mathman, mentioned many times that the degree of difficulty of these jumps really depend on the skater and he is sure right. In contrast to what we are accused of, this crazy Hanyu fan actually puts on skates and does all these three jumps, not quads of course. From a personal viewpoint, Flipp is the easiest jump of all three. You get in with a 3-turn, edge naturally becomes inside, a subtle touch of toe pick and boom. On the other hand, Loop and Lutz have similar difficulties for me. Why? Because I swear Loop is jumped with one foot, the right one for most people, not two feet. I glide backward on the outside right edge, my left foot is crossed the right and almost hovering on the ice not touching it. The point is it really depends on a skater to favor one jump over the other. Hell, many skaters prefer quads over 3A.
4. Rules are changing every season, every time favoring a skater and disfavoring the other. It is ISU that is changing the rules, not the skaters, not their fans. At the end of the day, every skater has his/her own share of both advantages and disadvantages of these rules :confused2:
1. Yes, bringing the BV of 4L in the range of 4Lz and 4F potentially benefits Yuzuru.
2. As SkatingIsLife had posted in the edge thread and no one takes notice, if both Yuzu and another skater make an error on jumps this can be a possible scenario:
4Lz (BV 11.00) 4Lz<< = BV 5.30 (3Lz) skaters loses 5.70 points of the BV
4F (BV 11.00) 4F<< = BV 5.30 (3F) skaters loses 5.70 points of the BV
4Lo (BV 11.00) 4Lo<< = BV 4.90 (3Lo) skaters loses 6.10 points of the BV
So, now we have to hold our breath when Yuzu does 4L with the same intensity that we do when he does a 4Lz
3. Again another poster, maybe Mathman, mentioned many times that the degree of difficulty of these jumps really depend on the skater and he is sure right. In contrast to what we are accused of, this crazy Hanyu fan actually puts on skates and does all these three jumps, not quads of course. From a personal viewpoint, Flipp is the easiest jump of all three. You get in with a 3-turn, edge naturally becomes inside, a subtle touch of toe pick and boom. On the other hand, Loop and Lutz have similar difficulties for me. Why? Because I swear Loop is jumped with one foot, the right one for most people, not two feet. I glide backward on the outside right edge, my left foot is crossed the right and almost hovering on the ice not touching it. The point is it really depends on a skater to favor one jump over the other. Hell, many skaters prefer quads over 3A.
4. Rules are changing every season, every time favoring a skater and disfavoring the other. It is ISU that is changing the rules, not the skaters, not their fans. At the end of the day, every skater has his/her own share of both advantages and disadvantages of these rules :confused2:
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Farnaz, dont have to bother abt those people at The Edge. This forum being an English forum, there's a lot of North American fans.
The equalization of points between 4L, 4F, 4Lutz is said as a response to Mishin's comment on Flip & Lutz. The ISU Tech Panel seems to think it's similar difficulty & said so.
This, plus the ISU VP admitting that the q rule was due to Russia Fed's complaint letter goes to show the current rule change is to appease Russia.
I doubt ISU cares one iota of what the fans think. They just want results which ultimately benefits them. Them, not the sport.
I do vaguely recall ex skaters saying 4Loop is the hardest jump. Though I only remember Max Ambesi saying so in recent times.
The equalization of points between 4L, 4F, 4Lutz is said as a response to Mishin's comment on Flip & Lutz. The ISU Tech Panel seems to think it's similar difficulty & said so.
This, plus the ISU VP admitting that the q rule was due to Russia Fed's complaint letter goes to show the current rule change is to appease Russia.
I doubt ISU cares one iota of what the fans think. They just want results which ultimately benefits them. Them, not the sport.
I do vaguely recall ex skaters saying 4Loop is the hardest jump. Though I only remember Max Ambesi saying so in recent times.
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Absolutely. Yuzu's fan base is too large and diverse to be considered a single entity. Whenever I saw people singling out and attacking Yuzu fans, I just think:
1. Every fandom has extreme fans. They are just showing how Yuzu is so much more popular than other skaters
2. Yuzu always behaves appropriately so they could only attack his fans
On a lighter note, aren't you guys excited for ISU streaming 2017 Men SP and FS in the next two days? I watched their stream of ladies and it was so nostalgic. I bet I will enjoy Men much better knowing how Yuzu will end it with absolute perfection
I am excited for FS but not sure if I have the stomach for SP haha.
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The good thing about SP is that it is the darkest hour before the dawn though, I probably won't have time to watch it, let's see.
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https://fs-gossips.com/there-are-very-few-skaters-who-jump-lutz-and-flip-equally-perfect/
Mishin talked about combining flip & Lutz, whatever that meant. Oh wait, he said the judges cant tell different of the edges well, lol.
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I apologize for making a fuss yesterday and thank you for your concerns. I guess if I want to talk about a technical issue that is related to Yuzu, I will post it here instead of posting in the edge
That's okay, that's what this place is for
And yes, 2017 Worlds this weekend! Mind you, it's in the wee hours of the morning, but I think I will have to stay up for the FS at least....
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That's okay, that's what this place is for
And yes, 2017 Worlds this weekend! Mind you, it's in the wee hours of the morning, but I think I will have to stay up for the FS at least....
2017 FS is so special for me. After the SP, I was sure he was going to come back and win it, so I was eagerly waiting for FS. Yuzu's turn was on Friday morning at 6:45 am EST and I didn't sleep at all from excitement and happiness. At 1 am I started watching "Howl's moving castle" which was a marvelous experience. It was my first time watching it. After that I was just playing its soundtrack and dancing around waiting for Yuzu's perfect skate. It was pure joy even if sounds crazy
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2017 FS is so special for me. After the SP, I was sure he was going to come back and win it, so I was eagerly waiting for FS. Yuzu's turn was on Friday morning at 6:45 am EST and I didn't sleep at all from excitement and happiness. At 1 am I started watching "Howl's moving castle" which was a marvelous experience. It was my first time watching it. After that I was just playing its soundtrack and dancing around waiting for Yuzu's perfect skate. It was pure joy even if sounds crazy
The music of "Howl's moving castle" is amazing and I have always wanted Yuzuru to skate to its main theme :luv17:
It seems the stream of SP will start around 7 pm in Japan, but I am guessing it might be geoblocked (I hope not!).
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About the rule of figure skating, I kind of gave up and have reached my own conclusion that those are all stated only on the papers and I can't trust the judging unless we have multiple camera angles for the judges and the audience, especially on deciding the deduction for pre-rotation/take off and under rotation. Because of the judging at AC 2019, I became a boring fan who can't join in the discussion 
(but I like to read your thoughts, of course 
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(but I like to read your thoughts, of course )
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Oh, I love Jo Hisaishi's music. "Howl's moving castle" and "Mononoke hime" are my favorites
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Just dropping by to say you guys are awesome and this forum needs you around. A lot of people here just love to be passive aggressive about Yuzu and bait his fans into fights. Don't give them attention.
Anyway, can't wait to watch his performances in Helsinki again this weekend. Watching Hope&Legacy still makes me cry sometimes. What a hard fought, career defining moment that was after the disappointment and heartbreak of Shanghai and Boston.
Anyway, can't wait to watch his performances in Helsinki again this weekend.
Watching Hope&Legacy still makes me cry sometimes. What a hard fought, career defining moment that was after the disappointment and heartbreak of Shanghai and Boston.
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I found this twitter thread matching various Yuzu programs with stunning tiaras and crowns. Two things I love together. https://twitter.com/flowerforyuzu/status/1260475719148240897
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Just dropping by to say you guys are awesome and this forum needs you around. A lot of people here just love to be passive aggressive about Yuzu and bait his fans into fights. Don't give them attention.
Anyway, can't wait to watch his performances in Helsinki again this weekend.
Thank you for coming. Yes, that Hope and Legacy touches people so deeply....
Love it!
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The UN have acknowledged Yuzu's recent message (among others) in one their released on the pandemic. Our boy doing Japan and the sport proud.
https://twitter.com/gleekatrician/status/1261777791768342528
https://twitter.com/gleekatrician/status/1261777791768342528
