There's a difference when a historically second tier skater who has never really had a great skate smashes their personal best or they had a great skate before judges started giving higher GOE/PCS (as is the case with Osmond).
Both Osmond at SC and B/S at RC are home inflation - but it seems people are unwilling to admit the latter (even though it's laughably obvious) simply because they love to rail on North American teams and events while thinking Russia (I mean, Russia - of all places!) isn't prone to favourable judging that benefits their own.
C/B's loss here in COR is understandable but in Canada? It was clearly a case of 'home advantage' for V/M: C/B should have that event.
Well, then Skate Canada should have awarded better PCS for C/B's strongest technical skates, and they would have won last week. Oh, but Virtue and Moir were there, so, no.
Every country is playing their own games.
There's a difference when a historically second tier skater who has never really had a great skate smashes their personal best or they had a great skate before judges started giving higher GOE/PCS (as is the case with Osmond).
Both Osmond at SC and B/S at RC are home inflation - but it seems people are unwilling to admit the latter (even though it's laughably obvious) simply because they love to rail on North American teams and events while thinking Russia (I mean, Russia - of all places!) isn't prone to favourable judging that benefits their own.
right, C/B had a mistake here and weren't at their best, at skate canada they were marked down just because Virtue / Moir were competing in a home advantage.
C/B scored their total personal bests at Skate Canada. V/M were below their personal best. How is that favouritism for V/M?
B/S smashed both of their PBs at RC2016. Not to mention C/B were credited with higher level 4s on their step sequence at Skate Canada even though that would threaten V/M's win (so much for stacking in favour of home skaters) - but here the same sequence achieved only level 3 in both programs (4 points less base value) which only helped B/S cause.
The notable diff between Skate Canada and here is C/B were awarded levels and PCS that gave them a shot to win SC and to beat the home skaters. At Rostelecom the opposite occurred where the home skaters were awarded GOE and PCS that gave them a shot to win and were helped out when the favourites erred.
C/B's loss here in COR is understandable but in Canada? It was clearly a case of 'home advantage' for V/M: C/B should have that event.
What?
C/B lost Skate Canada SOLELY on the PCS score. They were more than three points better than V/M in the total TES - one point in the SD, two points in the FD, but lost to them in both segments by two points in the PCS.
With the PCS they got in Russia they'd have won the competition.
Except V/M are better skaters, Olympic and World champions, etc. If it was clear home advantage how did C/B get a personal best (with higher levels than V/M) and V/M were below their personal best?
That's a silly argument - you could also say that had they got their PCS from world's they also would have won.
And had they gotten the PCS/scores from their previous CS events they would have been well behind V/M.
The only reason they had a shot to win was because they were awarded higher levels than V/M. People expected the gap to be way more and they certainly didn't expect C/B to get a personal best when it would threaten V/M's win. Note that V/M also lost the FD.
V/M were slated to beat C/B by a lot. They did not. For C/B to get within a point of them and get a personal best doesn't exactly support the home advantage argument.
For B/S to smash their PB by a whopping 8 points, and almost best C/B in the SD when we would have expected a greater gap, is more significant evidence of home advantage.
They got their levels, the same levels C/B were awarded in the SD. Not even the PCS advantage they had was enough to put them first. In the FD, C/B didn't get their levels high enough to win, that's it.
That's a silly argument - you could also say that had they got their PCS from world's they also would have won.
And had they gotten the PCS/scores from their previous CS events they would have been well behind V/M.
The only reason they had a shot to win was because they were awarded higher levels than V/M. People expected the gap to be way more and they certainly didn't expect C/B to get a personal best when it would threaten V/M's win. Note that V/M also lost the FD.
V/M were slated to beat C/B by a lot. They did not. For C/B to get within a point of them and get a personal best doesn't exactly support the home advantage argument.
For B/S to smash their PB by a whopping 8 points, and almost best C/B in the SD when we would have expected a greater gap, is more significant evidence of home advantage.
Actually, in the SD, C/B got one level 3 and the rest level 4s. V/M got three level 3s.
In the FD, C/B got one level 3 the rest level 4s. V/M got four level 3s.
Obvious home advantage. :sarcasm:
On the contrary, that point difference validates the notion of home advantage ... and C/B awarded a higher technical scores said it all. It's not like V/M was cheated of that - the levels are settled or agreed upon by both the technical panel and coaches before the performance takes place and evaluated during the performance as expressed in GEO adjustments. I'd say that PCS are what make the performance vulnerable because the points can go up/down with the judge's bias whether it is conscious or not. PCS are extremely subjective and relative.
I think what we should really be complaining about is that overall at every competition the judges are not judging what they have been trained to judge and what they are looking at. It cheats spectators out of experiencing a real competition and those that are not knowledgable have no way of learning what quality skating truly consists of. All levels of skaters are harmed by this not just the elite skaters. Bottom, middle and top of the pack all want feedback that they can trust and that does not deflate them when they know they have done better .
So basically we are all in the same boat. Everyone has their favourite teams and all the teams at some point are being given a great disservice due to certain coaches and judges doing their best to manipulate the marks.
Football ( soccer) national championships in Germany. Very, very, important(as hockey in Canada)Bundesliga???? What is that?