2018 Junior World Championships Ladies SP

[Sabrina]

I was just checking the protocols and realized the Emi Ma was awarded 26.31 PCS, for a program with 2 URs and a 3-2 combi,Stsq 3...were the judges smoking pot sponsored by US officials?

 

[frida80]

Yep. Konstantinova had hers in the bag whereas Gubanova really needed this opportunity. That's why it stings that they gave Konstantinova 3 more points in PCS than Gubanova, allowing her to beat Gubanova by 0.35 points.

Do you want to know something worse? There may be a chance she going to senior worlds as well. she is is considering dropping out to focus on recovering from her foot injury. I love Zhenia dearly and want her to get better, but this knowing Konstantinova got shot s senior world as well....

 

[Mrs. P]

Wasn't Stasya also first or second alternate for Olympics/Worlds? It does seem she is given a bit of a boost relative to the other Russian women. I don't really have a strong feeling one way or another, but can see why people think she is (unfairly) favored.

 

[dorispulaski]

Rika had the only StSq4 of the night. Very strange in an event with Eteri ladies.

Ting's GOE look stingy, as do her PCS. But I would need to rewatch to confirm (and the video is blocked on YouTube because of the music copyright.)

Kutien has Ting Cui on dailymotion.
http://dai.ly/x6g04sn

 

[russianfan]

The difference in skills and scores between Trusova/Kostornaya and the rest is so huge it's not even funny.
Also, pretty much expected skates from Kihira/Konstantinova/Lim, though i thought Kihira will do better than that.

 

[Shayuki]

That’s an exaggeration but okay - in my opinion it was within a quarter

It's no exaggeration. It was borderline downgrade. The jump was going almost directly to the left and this is the first frame on landing on the stream I had:
https://i.imgur.com/oLeucMH.png

On slow-mo it's even more clear but even live speed it was quite a clean UR.

 

[schizoanalyst]

I was just checking the protocols and realized the Emi Ma was awarded 26.31 PCS, for a program with 2 URs and a 3-2 combi,Stsq 3...were the judges smoking pot sponsored by US officials?

I think she has nice qualities that justify her being awarded 6s - at least if you consider what was being awarded 5s. The reality is, when you cap the highest skilled skaters here at 7s and floor the lowest skilled skaters at 4s, you don’t leave a lot of room for differentiating among the good but not great skaters.

 

[frida80]

Nothing we can do though. Stasya was given that opportunity. Nastya can only move forward and for her...that means to grab the chance to improve her performance capabilities.

Which one? Being force on the JGP and losing a chance for a second slot because she loses to another Eteri girl, or working her way up from the CS for the next two seasons. She’s on her way to Russian skater purgatory.

 

[Kutien]

1	Alexandra TRUSOVA	RUS	72.03	1	video
2	Alena KOSTORNAIA	RUS	71.63	2	video
3	Mako YAMASHITA	JPN	66.79	3	video
4	Rika KIHIRA	JPN	63.74	4	video
5	Eunsoo LIM	KOR	62.96	5	video
6	Stanislava KONSTANTINOVA	RUS	62.63	6	video
7	Ting CUI	USA	62.22	7	video
8	Yuhana YOKOI	JPN	59.81	8	video
9	Young YOU	KOR	59.79	9	Q
10	Anastasiia ARKHIPOVA	UKR	59.37	10	video
11	Yi Christy LEUNG	HKG	56.97	11	video
12	Lea Johanna DASTICH	GER	55.32	12	video
13	Stefanie PESENDORFER	AUT	54.16	13	Q
14	Selma IHR	SWE	53.33	14	Q
15	Ann-Christin MAROLD	GER	52.84	15	Q
16	Emmy MA	USA	52.78	16	video
17	Alexandra FEIGIN	BUL	51.49	17	Q
18	Hongyi CHEN	CHN	49.83	18	Q
19	Kristen SPOURS	GBR	49.57	19	video
20	Chloe ING	SGP	49.27	20	video
21	Aurora COTOP	CAN	49.15	21	video
22	Alana TOKTAROVA	KAZ	48.28	22	Q
23	Lucrezia BECCARI	ITA	46.46	23	Q
24	Kyarha VAN TIEL	NED	45.88	24	Q
25	Dahyun KO	CZE	45.68	25
26	Morgan FLOOD	AZE	45.04	26	video
27	Andrea MONTESINOS CANTU	MEX	44.26	27
28	Maya GORODNITSKY	ISR	44.24	28
29	Sofia SULA	FIN	44.21	29
30	Guzide Irmak BAYIR	TUR	43.09	30	video
31	Amy LIN	TPE	43.06	31	video
32	Julia LANG	HUN	42.00	32
33	Silvia HUGEC	SVK	41.49	33
34	Kristina SHKULETA-GROMOVA	EST	41.30	34
35	Maia MAZZARA	SUI	40.69	35
36	Hana CVIJANOVIC	CRO	40.51	36
37	Anete LACE	LAT	40.03	37
38	Lea SERNA	FRA	39.97	38	video
39	Oliwia RZEPIEL	POL	39.71	39
40	Amanda STAN	ROU	38.46	40
41	Hiu Ching KWONG	HKG	37.31	41
42	Aliaksandra CHEPELEVA	BLR	36.63	42
43	Paulina RAMANAUSKAITE	LTU	33.50	43
44	Marusa UDRIH	SLO	32.71	44

 

[Mrs. P]

I was just checking the protocols and realized the Emi Ma was awarded 26.31 PCS, for a program with 2 URs and a 3-2 combi,Stsq 3...were the judges smoking pot sponsored by US officials?

Have you seen the program? I haven't yet, but from her past skates, she has very good basic and performance ability. She got penalized for her errors. I don't think she needs to be penalized twice.

And she's also 16th place.

 

[kimi492]

I was just checking the protocols and realized the Emi Ma was awarded 26.31 PCS, for a program with 2 URs and a 3-2 combi,Stsq 3...were the judges smoking pot sponsored by US officials?

Emmy has nice skating skills and beautiful interpretation/performance

 

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Alena and Sasha were much better than the rest. The scores do not reflect that. I would give Alena extra pcs point may be even more. Then her step sequence looked faster and more elaborate than Rika's who almost stopped half the way. Having Alena's stsq at level 3 and Rika's at level 4 seems nothing but judges' desire to keep the Japanese in contention for the gold. Maybe they don't want to make it yet another Eteri's girls show with silver-gold decided even before it started. This could be said about other Rika's GOE. They were imo too high.

I think Stasya received the adquate score. It was sort of cold shower for her as she would get much more for that in Russia.

I have not seen Ting Cui before and I think that she delivered very well. I would argue: "underscored", "lowballed", etc.

Mako's skating was never my cup of tea. It is still not. People are talking about lines. Look at her first spin. She cannot straighten her leg at all. I find bent knees on landings not aeshetically pleasing. With the Japanese ladies one cannot expect anything else so I am sort of OK with it by now. But "soft knees" during spins? No way.

"My" scores of the event:

Kostornaya 73 (+1.5)
Trusova 72 (0)
Cui 66 (+4)
Yamashita 65 (-1.5)
Lim, Konstantinova 62 (0)
Kihira 60 (-2)

 

[andromache]

Protocols are so interesting in TES :

Alena got massive GOEs on the first 2 spins compared to Sasha (I agree), but same on the last one (disagree a bit on this one, but Sasha's first spin could have been higher so I'm okay). She also has a bit more on Step Sequence GOEs. She also has the 2A advantage. They have the exact same on the combo.
However Sasha has a +1.20 on the 3Lz alone and makes it up, and you add the higher BV due to the 3Lo combo and you have the TES advantage.

Overall after reading protocls, I agree on TES. Perhaps strongly agree, even.

I would have a higher difference on PCS though. Especially on skating skills, transitions, and interpretation of the music. Alena's musicality is excellent.

I can understand the CO and PE thouh, Sasha's SP is packed and while we might think she looks so young doing that and everything she does performs. A bit subdued perhaps today compared to GPF though (she could have gotten more on this).

I wouldn't give Trusova CH - I would tie them, and that's just being generous. Both programs are so vastly different and both packed with choreography.

PE could go either way depending on personal preference. Both 100% commit and attack their programs in their own different ways. I would say that Alena executes her choreography better than Sasha, though.

Interpretation - Alena should have a 2+ point advantage here. Sorry.

On SS and TR, Alena should have a .5 to 1 point advantage.

I can agree on the TES though. Unfair to bump up Sasha's PCS due to her strong TES, while also giving a PCS bump to girls to make up for their weaker TES (Stanislava). It puts Alena at a disadvantage. Having second-best TES and best PCS doesn't matter, because the PCS gap isn't big enough to EVER win.

 

[Eclair]

Why being so harsh with Konstantinova? I think her skate was nice.

really? I thought it was the most cringeworthy performance of all skaters ... totally totally totally over performing ... :confused2:

Alena and Rika both have wonderful SS and finished movements, they should have gotten the highest PCS by far (maybe with Eunsoo in third) ...
Trusova is a performer but her SS and Interpretation is not near anything Alena does ...

Too bad about Rika's fall ... her program started so beautifully...

Eunsoo should have gotten more PCS too .. and more GOE on the stepsequence ....

Sad for Young You ... She should have place above Ting in both GOE and PCS by far, even though I agree with the UR ..

 

[kimi492]

It's no exaggeration. It was borderline downgrade. The jump was going almost directly to the left and this is the first frame on landing on the stream I had:
https://i.imgur.com/oLeucMH.png

On slow-mo it's even more clear but even live speed it was quite a clean UR.

Exaggeration in all of her jumps being borderline - You has had problems obv but has much improved this season

 

[Shayuki]

Exaggeration in all of her jumps being borderline - You has had problems obv but has much improved this season

I went through it and checked. The 3F on the jump was actually borderline on my video, whereas the 3Lutz was clearly underrotated, in fact. Let me record a video of it.

 

[readernick]

I was just checking the protocols and realized the Emi Ma was awarded 26.31 PCS, for a program with 2 URs and a 3-2 combi,Stsq 3...were the judges smoking pot sponsored by US officials?

Don’t think you understand what PCS is. According to ISU rules, it should be independent of TES.( please do research) This does not happen, usually, ( case and point Trusova’s PCS) but Emmy has senior level performace and SS. Difficult for the judges to completely dump her.

 

[rikaquegira]

so sad for my girl Kihira...
I think the panel was a bit lenient with her, that 3T was a mess.
I hope she skates clean in the FS, she needs to!
But hey, that new dress is gorgeous! And I noticed some changes in the choreo.
And she needs better spins ASAP!!! She trains with Satoko, right? Satoko needs to give her some lessons. [emoji23]
Whatever happens, she's still a great skater and a huge talent imho. Love her!!! [emoji173]️
On a happier note, all hail tiny boss!! She's unbelievable! Yes, the music is a no-no but the rest is on point.
And Kostornaya is a gem! Such a beautiful skater with beautiful jumps, great spins, beautiful rippon, she actually finishes her movements, she looks amazing on the ice. [emoji173]️

 

[kimi492]

I went through it and checked. The 3F on the jump was actually borderline on my video, whereas the 3Lutz was clearly underrotated, in fact. Let me record a video of it.

? I’ve got YouTube playback speed girl. I see what you’re saying now on the 3T in slow mo, but in slow mo it also shows her 3Lz is fine

 

[Shayuki]

? I’ve got YouTube playback speed girl. I see what you’re saying now on the 3T in slow mo, but in slow mo it also shows her 3Lz is fine

https://streamable.com/z4d6m

Thoughts?

It really isn't even close, I'm not sure what the issue is.