Hanyu's Phantom is way more convincing than these two. If you want to say Hanyu is not convincing, then use better examples. Fernandez? Looks like he's skating to Chaplin again rather than Figaro - well, he always skates to the same kind of funny programs and it gets boring after several seasons. So Youn? Come on, anyone's R&J program is better than hers. Even Lipnitskaia, who's having tech problems this season, plays a better Juliet, not to mention Sasha's beautiful Juliet.Really? I did not know theses two are debatable. By my standard, they showed convincing characters on the ice, even though not technically perfect.