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I asked the saem question and got this reply: Zhulin.
Worst music choice ever of this season so far, maybe on par with Kanako's music cuts for her LP.
I think Ashley Cain's FS earlier was just as bad
I asked the saem question and got this reply: Zhulin.
Worst music choice ever of this season so far, maybe on par with Kanako's music cuts for her LP.
Just came back home. What a lovely event it was. What a good judging - cannot point to a single placement mistake, may be only too low place for Stepanova&Bukin. The men's event was a highlight with Javi being a highlight of the men's event. If he lands nicely his quads he can challenge Hanyu and Machida for real. He was so good and he received applause comparable to the crowd's favorite Voronov.
I admire how Sergey prepared for this event. He was not rock solid but he was quite solid and very fast. His 4t-3t combination is a masterpiece. And the audience enjoyed big time his second part where he became quite relaxed and even skittish. Well deserved second place. Alas, cannot say the same about Artur. I lost my trust in him until he shows at least 2 good international performances.
Michael Brezina was good. His attempt on the second 4S was quite powerful. I guess, that was his best skating since quite a long time.
Misha Ge was the crowd's favorite. His 3As were sort of fragile. That's why the audience applauded loudly after them. And his last part of the program was accompanied by the non-stop applause. I am quite glad he is a part of the elite group now with his 238 score.
With Jason I saw the same - that's his level now. As Mr.P explained it's all a part of the big plan till 2018. And he has years ahead of him unlike Voronov. So this year he is not ready yet to compete with "the big guys" in GPF. Next year, may be.
Kozuka's skating skills are impressive. But with 2 failed quads and a failed 3A we have not much left.
Others were, well, first of all my prediction game mistakes, namely Max, Stephen, and Artur. In fact, I bet on 3 Americans here and neither of them delivered points - may be jet lag?
Just came back home. What a lovely event it was. What a good judging - cannot point to a single placement mistake, may be only too low place for Stepanova&Bukin. The men's event was a highlight with Javi being a highlight of the men's event. If he lands nicely his quads he can challenge Hanyu and Machida for real. He was so good and he received applause comparable to the crowd's favorite Voronov.
I admire how Sergey prepared for this event. He was not rock solid but he was quite solid and very fast. His 4t-3t combination is a masterpiece. And the audience enjoyed big time his second part where he became quite relaxed and even skittish. Well deserved second place. Alas, cannot say the same about Artur. I lost my trust in him until he shows at least 2 good international performances.
Michael Brezina was good. His attempt on the second 4S was quite powerful. I guess, that was his best skating since quite a long time.
Misha Ge was the crowd's favorite. His 3As were sort of fragile. That's why the audience applauded loudly after them. And his last part of the program was accompanied by the non-stop applause. I am quite glad he is a part of the elite group now with his 238 score.
With Jason I saw the same - that's his level now. As Mr.P explained it's all a part of the big plan till 2018. And he has years ahead of him unlike Voronov. So this year he is not ready yet to compete with "the big guys" in GPF. Next year, may be.
Kozuka's skating skills are impressive. But with 2 failed quads and a failed 3A we have not much left.
Others were, well, first of all my prediction game mistakes, namely Max, Stephen, and Artur. In fact, I bet on 3 Americans here and neither of them delivered points - may be jet lag?
I think you started watching figure skating just last year because of Jason? Have you tried to understand the scoring system? All technical elements are give base value points (BV), the big jumps being worthy of the highest values. The judges then give or take points based on the quality of execution, as spelled out in the Code Of Points (COP) system. The total will be the Technical Elements Scores (TES). The artistry is part of the Program Components Scores (PCS) which consist of 5 components, two of which may be considered artistry.
If figure skating is just or mostly art and entertainment, it would not be a sport, especially not an Olympic sport. It is a sport with artistry, with different degrees of preferences among the fans. Maybe you can try to broaden your appreciation to become a figure skating fan instead of just a skater's fan.
I asked the saem question and got this reply: Zhulin.
Worst music choice ever of this season so far, maybe on par with Kanako's music cuts for her LP.
Thank you. I was looking for this answer also. I am very very happy that Javier has won his GPF entry.
What the... Zhulin is invincible this year in term of terrible music cuts???Don't forget Elena R.'s short program (was that also by Zhulin?) - that makes my ears bleed!
Omg forgot that as well. We need a list of werid to horrendous music cuts. we can make it into CD to release and the skaters will have to pay fee for us to advoid those music cuts next season.I think Ashley Cain's FS earlier was just as bad
As you may be able to tell from the quote under the avatar, I began watching figure skating before many of the folks on this forum were evidently born. (how did I get so old?:shocked I say that only because, although a broad appreciation of figure skating a whole is a laudable goal, starting with one skater is as good a way to get into the sport as any other.
As you note, different degrees of artistry are more or less valuable to different fans. I remember when Toller started, and I remember all the fans who said oh no, this is a *sport*, what is this guy doing? A true athlete learns school figures with precision, a true athlete would do more than few doubles (yes, those were the days, doubles ), a true athlete would not be so concerned with the music, with the artistry, with performance.
I've said it before in other threads and I'll say it again, Toller never ever won international gold, he *barely* got a bronze at the end of his career, and he changed the face of men's figure skating. I stopped watching figure skating when it seemed to become a jump fest, when no one captivated me, when life intervened. And Jason brought me back. And all the same criticisms I see of Jason today were the same criticisms I heard of Toller then. Does that mean Jason is Toller?? No. Does it mean one skater can bring someone into skating? yes. And does it mean that a skater who relies on artistry and performance more than jumps is as worthy of support as a quad-meister? I say yes.
All competitions go by the particular sets of rules of the game, sport, and any other field of endeavor. Figure skating is a complex sport and there are many different skaters with different talents and styles appealing to different tastes of the fans. Not all the favorites and beloved skaters compete well by the rules of the sport but they win the hearts and minds of many people. Some of them make great contribution to the sport without major titles. I don't feel the most enjoyed and loved ones must win or place high in competitions. It can be frustrating and painful to insist on any skater to compete well but such emotions are choices, just as love and admiration are.
I have two opinions:
1. All competitions go by the particular sets of rules of the game, sport, and any other field of endeavor. Figure skating is a complex sport and there are many different skaters with different talents and styles appealing to different tastes of the fans. Not all the favorites and beloved skaters compete well by the rules of the sport but they win the hearts and minds of many people. Some of them make great contribution to the sport without major titles. I don't feel the most enjoyed and loved ones must win or place high in competitions. It can be frustrating and painful to insist on any skater to compete well but such emotions are choices, just as love and admiration are.
2. Jason Brown is a well loved skater with many fans, some of whom very ardent and devoted. He receives criticism as all high profile skaters do and he is surely not one of the most criticized or "hated". There is at least little personal derision directed at him.
El Henry, some could interpret your post as implying Toller only did double jumps in his competitive career. He had , in fact, an arsenal of triple jumps. also.
Just came back home. What a lovely event it was. What a good judging - cannot point to a single placement mistake, may be only too low place for Stepanova&Bukin. The men's event was a highlight with Javi being a highlight of the men's event. If he lands nicely his quads he can challenge Hanyu and Machida for real. He was so good and he received applause comparable to the crowd's favorite Voronov.
I admire how Sergey prepared for this event. He was not rock solid but he was quite solid and very fast. His 4t-3t combination is a masterpiece. And the audience enjoyed big time his second part where he became quite relaxed and even skittish. Well deserved second place. Alas, cannot say the same about Artur. I lost my trust in him until he shows at least 2 good international performances.
Michael Brezina was good. His attempt on the second 4S was quite powerful. I guess, that was his best skating since quite a long time.
Misha Ge was the crowd's favorite. His 3As were sort of fragile. That's why the audience applauded loudly after them. And his last part of the program was accompanied by the non-stop applause. I am quite glad he is a part of the elite group now with his 238 score.
With Jason I saw the same - that's his level now. As Mr.P explained it's all a part of the big plan till 2018. And he has years ahead of him unlike Voronov. So this year he is not ready yet to compete with "the big guys" in GPF. Next year, may be.
Kozuka's skating skills are impressive. But with 2 failed quads and a failed 3A we have not much left.
Others were, well, first of all my prediction game mistakes, namely Max, Stephen, and Artur. In fact, I bet on 3 Americans here and neither of them delivered points - may be jet lag?
Perhaps, in the future. If I find enough skaters to love skating .. De gustibus. There are many people who do not watch the dance in general but only some dancers. And I have nothing against. And the Point Sistem is a very complicated for me.
You are not alone if you harbor a suspicion that the current scoring system works against the enjoyment of figure skating from a spectator's point of view. The position of the ISU is that "its not our problem" -- the sport of figure skating, like golf or tennis or soccer (I mean, football ) either attracts fans or not, according to whether people want to watch athletes exhibit remarkable skills and whether they enjoy the vicarious thrill of victory and agony of defeat, etc.
i think Jason Brown will follow the arc of Patrick Chan (minus the world championships). When Patrick Chan burst on the scene he was utterly unique. He brought blade-to-ice skills that no one had ever seen before, the great Kurt Browning alone (as a professional) excepted. Within a couple of years he had stabalized his triple Axel and added a quadruple jump to his arsenal. Now he was like all the others. He got many points for his big jumps. His basic skating was still good but … I don't know … maybe we got used to it. Last year Jason was something else! This year, I guess we'll have to wait and see.
But in figure skating there are points also in case of fall...