2015 Europeans Free Dance, Jan. 29
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Interesting thoughts on the Shibs' career, Mrs. P. Out of curiosity, do you think they should change coaches after this season or stick with Marina?
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Well, speaking of Nelly&Alex, apparently they will retire after the worlds in Shanghai.
http://www.sport1.de/wintersport/20...ganshina-und-alexander-gazsi-vor-karriereende
Sad to see them retire, but they are perfect for shows and will have a bright future. Besides, they can do well in the future as choreographers, or something similar in that sector. They do have a very creative mind.
Nelly, for example, be a consultant for team Ruslena.
http://www.sport1.de/wintersport/20...ganshina-und-alexander-gazsi-vor-karriereende
Sad to see them retire, but they are perfect for shows and will have a bright future. Besides, they can do well in the future as choreographers, or something similar in that sector. They do have a very creative mind.
Nelly, for example, be a consultant for team Ruslena.
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Yes, my biggest complaint about the current judging system is that judges do not really mark the different PCS categories separately. They seem to just decide what they want a team to get overall, and then mark that for each of the components, within a .25 or .5 range, marking slightly lower the weakest categories, and slightly higher the strongest categories. I think it is really a travesty in some cases- in both directions (by which I mean some skaters get marked much higher in one component than deserved and some get marked much lower than deserved.
A team like Z/G, in my humble opinion, deserves in the 9's for IN, every time. They deserve probably in the high 8's for choreo. Some programs for choreo would deserve a 9. and Performance/Execution should usually be in the 8's (theirs is held back some by their lack of technical ability). Their SS should be in the 6's really, and their TR should be somewhere solidly in the 6's as well- perhaps even low 6's or high 5's.
Instead of just acknowledging that YES, a team can preform really really well in terms of interpretation and also have really extremely mediocre transitions, the judges give them all their component marks in the 7.5 range. It is just stupid.
Well, speaking of Nelly&Alex, apparently they will retire after the worlds in Shanghai.
http://www.sport1.de/wintersport/20...ganshina-und-alexander-gazsi-vor-karriereende
Sad to see them retire, but they are perfect for shows and will have a bright future. Besides, they can do well in the future as choreographers, or something similar in that sector. They do have a very creative mind.
Nelly, for example, be a consultant for team Ruslena.
Yes, I heard this earlier and was VERY sad. As I've said a few times in this thread, for pure viewing pleasure, letting go of 'tech ability and tech content', they are in my top 10 favorite teams of all time. I hope they will be skating in shows :/
At least a new choreographer. I wonder who had hand in their SD, cause that's really great (I know they worked with Corky Ballas and Scali did some work, but it's not clear who did what). The FD seems to be more of Marina's work. I like the improved version, but I can see why the prior version didn't resonate with judges (or even if the new version doesn't resonate).
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I wish teams like W&P, C&B, and PaCi had more boldness like Z&G to do more "original" programs. I don't think "original" is very original, as ice dance is nowhere near as cool as the stuff that's going on in modern dance. I do prefer ice dancing to all dances out there, because there is the need to constrict as much creativity to a couple of minutes. Therefore "it gets to the point quickly."
Though I grew to like W&P's Four Seasons and Paso Doble, but I was appalled at how they went the traditional ice dancing route. For a team that can do so much, I was disappointed.
So while I appreciate Z&G's boldness, I must say, "Just because it's different, it doesn't mean it's good." Their stuff is pretty good, but they're rarely memorable. I can imagine how frustrated they must be to languish in the ranks, but the reason is that they haven't had a breakthrough. I think they'll make good ice dancing consultants and assistants to coaches. There is that problem (which Stepanova also has) with Nelli's bent legs that don't provide good extension and depth of edges. Their choreography isn't very spectacular. Their Paris and the Nerd program is kitsch at best.
I know there are many hardcore Pechalat and Bourzat fans, but for this same reason, "Just because it's different, it doesn't mean it's good." If they can't even be good with the classics, I don't know if they can be good with the weird, original stuff. This applies to Z&G's choice of programs. Judges just don't know what to do with them.
I hope they will find another niche in skating that will fulfill them and bring out their best.
Though I grew to like W&P's Four Seasons and Paso Doble, but I was appalled at how they went the traditional ice dancing route. For a team that can do so much, I was disappointed.
So while I appreciate Z&G's boldness, I must say, "Just because it's different, it doesn't mean it's good." Their stuff is pretty good, but they're rarely memorable. I can imagine how frustrated they must be to languish in the ranks, but the reason is that they haven't had a breakthrough. I think they'll make good ice dancing consultants and assistants to coaches. There is that problem (which Stepanova also has) with Nelli's bent legs that don't provide good extension and depth of edges. Their choreography isn't very spectacular. Their Paris and the Nerd program is kitsch at best.
I know there are many hardcore Pechalat and Bourzat fans, but for this same reason, "Just because it's different, it doesn't mean it's good." If they can't even be good with the classics, I don't know if they can be good with the weird, original stuff. This applies to Z&G's choice of programs. Judges just don't know what to do with them.
I hope they will find another niche in skating that will fulfill them and bring out their best.
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I couldn't agree more. :thumbsup: That's exactly the problem with PCS.
Gabriella Papadakis & Guillaume Cizeron:
Lovely Twizzles, all elements very nicely done. I would prefer better spacing with closer positions in future.
They are as light as air and remembering their last season’s dances, this is their style to look like that.
Just detail but I would like to see better hand work by Gabriella with finished movements even with fingers – she has fist sometimes and it doesn’t look nice.
Overall the FD without mistakes and the best FD of the night.
Lovely Twizzles, all elements very nicely done. I would prefer better spacing with closer positions in future.
They are as light as air and remembering their last season’s dances, this is their style to look like that.
Just detail but I would like to see better hand work by Gabriella with finished movements even with fingers – she has fist sometimes and it doesn’t look nice.
Overall the FD without mistakes and the best FD of the night.
Anna Cappellini & Luca Lanotte:
All elements very nicely done with exception of Step Sequences.
Twizzles nice, very smart use of steps between Sets to get more speed to be able to show better ice coverage in Twizzles.
Circular Step Sequences – needs another amount of work, many lights edges, Anna jumped in opening turn in her One Foot Section. Another Anna’s jumps in turns in Diagonal Step Sequences. Both Levels 3 and GOE was too generous towards the couple.
The dance is much better than at Cup of China, they could keep energy until the end.
I don’t understand the stylization. Overall both their SD and FD have so similar presentation – it is wild, dynamic, full of energy, full of smiles. I don’t agree with such execution of both Spanish dance and Dance Macabre. Spanish dances and especially Paso Doble are passionate with deep tension and command, not frantic and full of joy. Dance Macabre should be dramatic, dark and demonic in my opinion, not frantic and having fun and smiling during it.
At Cup of China it looked like Luca is the Death and Anna is his target – a victim who has to die. Here they are skating like Mr. And Mrs. Death and Anna is even sometimes stronger in presentation and Luca starts looking pale next to her. But at the end she dies so HE must be The Death…it confuses me.
What is BIG MINUS – it is Anna’s upper body posture – she is hunching and putting her head forward and it is so inelegant. This should be corrected fast.
All elements very nicely done with exception of Step Sequences.
Twizzles nice, very smart use of steps between Sets to get more speed to be able to show better ice coverage in Twizzles.
Circular Step Sequences – needs another amount of work, many lights edges, Anna jumped in opening turn in her One Foot Section. Another Anna’s jumps in turns in Diagonal Step Sequences. Both Levels 3 and GOE was too generous towards the couple.
The dance is much better than at Cup of China, they could keep energy until the end.
I don’t understand the stylization. Overall both their SD and FD have so similar presentation – it is wild, dynamic, full of energy, full of smiles. I don’t agree with such execution of both Spanish dance and Dance Macabre. Spanish dances and especially Paso Doble are passionate with deep tension and command, not frantic and full of joy. Dance Macabre should be dramatic, dark and demonic in my opinion, not frantic and having fun and smiling during it.
At Cup of China it looked like Luca is the Death and Anna is his target – a victim who has to die. Here they are skating like Mr. And Mrs. Death and Anna is even sometimes stronger in presentation and Luca starts looking pale next to her. But at the end she dies so HE must be The Death…it confuses me.
What is BIG MINUS – it is Anna’s upper body posture – she is hunching and putting her head forward and it is so inelegant. This should be corrected fast.
Alexandra Stepanova & Ivan Bukin:
Great example of the couple who was in the right moment on the right place. They concentrated greatly to show two good programs without major mistakes and with help of I&Z‘s completely missed element in FD Sasha & Ivan took Bronze medal at their first European Championships winning by 1.12 points over I&Z.
Great spin like in pairs cathegory. Nice lifts, but like anybody noticed here the whole impression from lifts comes down because they are quickly changing so many poses that I can’t really notice even one of them.
Once again Sit Twizzles with a half rotation done on place like in real spin and another half rotation moving, this is not Twizzle. Almost no ice coverage and if you wouldn’t take steps between all Sets, you would see three Sets of Twizzles on 2 metres. But great synchro in it.
Big spacing between the partners and constantly presentation of Sasha’s flexibility tends to think about pair cathegory. And where is the dance? They are skating, not dancing.
Fast part of the music is not reflected by skating of the couple.
Overall the couple has great qualities in lifts and spin, but in all other aspects especially in dance aspects they are loosing not only to I&Z and M&K, but also to most of top 10 European couples here.
What dissapointed me was what happened next. Sasha and Ivan got their first Bronze European Medal thanks to big mistake in Lena and Ruslan’s skate… and in next 12 hours they together with their coaches created comments like this…
http://rsport.ru/figure_skating/20150130/803045644.html
Svinin: “The advantage of the French is that they compete in seniors for two seasons. And they really have made great progress. But you can fight with them, and we will try to do it. In juniors we not only fight with them, but beaten them.“
“But it is pleasent to understand that they are already fearing us, trying to make things not easy. Therefore result in the tournament is twice as pleasant.“
http://rsport.ru/figure_skating/20150130/803053317.html
Alexandra Stepanova: “Marks are given from various reasons. Papadakis & Cizeron are first French couple while there is not very clear situation in Russia. There are changements in teams, Katya and Dima are injured. Because of it, it is not clear, who is first Russian couple, who to support. There is clear situation (in France) while here is a work. In our case every couple must prove that exactly they are the best.“
What I really don’t understand…Sasha and Ivan got their first Bronze European Medal thanks to big mistake in Lena and Ruslan’s skate… and in next 12 hours they immediately created comments like this.
The fact that any couple must prove its position if they want to be number 1…all Russian couples had an opportunity to prove their qualities at Grand Prix and S&B were cleanly overskated by both I&Z and M&K, also S&K (with help of judges and Zueva) beated them.
But at Russian Nationals S&B got another chance…their coach Irina Zhuk herself admit that all couples were put in one row (once again) to give ALL couples chance to rise http://goldenskate.com/forum/showth...s-Free-Dance&p=1062051&viewfull=1#post1062051 …and S&B once again finished behind I&Z and M&K.
I didn’t notice that S&B’s journey would be harder than in case of other Russian couples and who exactly makes their things not easy (from Svinin words) – I also don’t know….better teams for example?
I also don’t understand why 19 points distance from Papadakis & Cizeron to Stepanova & Bukin is explained by the fact that French are number 1 in France….and not by the fact that P&C are better much team than S&B now. And talking about junior years where S&B beaten P&C….who cares about it now?
And the question who is Russian number 1…are they serious after Grand Prix and Grand Prix Final results and Russian Nationals results and 69.94 points for I&Z in SD?
Great example of the couple who was in the right moment on the right place. They concentrated greatly to show two good programs without major mistakes and with help of I&Z‘s completely missed element in FD Sasha & Ivan took Bronze medal at their first European Championships winning by 1.12 points over I&Z.
Great spin like in pairs cathegory. Nice lifts, but like anybody noticed here the whole impression from lifts comes down because they are quickly changing so many poses that I can’t really notice even one of them.
Once again Sit Twizzles with a half rotation done on place like in real spin and another half rotation moving, this is not Twizzle. Almost no ice coverage and if you wouldn’t take steps between all Sets, you would see three Sets of Twizzles on 2 metres. But great synchro in it.
Big spacing between the partners and constantly presentation of Sasha’s flexibility tends to think about pair cathegory. And where is the dance? They are skating, not dancing.
Fast part of the music is not reflected by skating of the couple.
Overall the couple has great qualities in lifts and spin, but in all other aspects especially in dance aspects they are loosing not only to I&Z and M&K, but also to most of top 10 European couples here.
What dissapointed me was what happened next. Sasha and Ivan got their first Bronze European Medal thanks to big mistake in Lena and Ruslan’s skate… and in next 12 hours they together with their coaches created comments like this…
http://rsport.ru/figure_skating/20150130/803045644.html
Svinin: “The advantage of the French is that they compete in seniors for two seasons. And they really have made great progress. But you can fight with them, and we will try to do it. In juniors we not only fight with them, but beaten them.“
“But it is pleasent to understand that they are already fearing us, trying to make things not easy. Therefore result in the tournament is twice as pleasant.“
http://rsport.ru/figure_skating/20150130/803053317.html
Alexandra Stepanova: “Marks are given from various reasons. Papadakis & Cizeron are first French couple while there is not very clear situation in Russia. There are changements in teams, Katya and Dima are injured. Because of it, it is not clear, who is first Russian couple, who to support. There is clear situation (in France) while here is a work. In our case every couple must prove that exactly they are the best.“
What I really don’t understand…Sasha and Ivan got their first Bronze European Medal thanks to big mistake in Lena and Ruslan’s skate… and in next 12 hours they immediately created comments like this.
The fact that any couple must prove its position if they want to be number 1…all Russian couples had an opportunity to prove their qualities at Grand Prix and S&B were cleanly overskated by both I&Z and M&K, also S&K (with help of judges and Zueva) beated them.
But at Russian Nationals S&B got another chance…their coach Irina Zhuk herself admit that all couples were put in one row (once again) to give ALL couples chance to rise http://goldenskate.com/forum/showth...s-Free-Dance&p=1062051&viewfull=1#post1062051 …and S&B once again finished behind I&Z and M&K.
I didn’t notice that S&B’s journey would be harder than in case of other Russian couples and who exactly makes their things not easy (from Svinin words) – I also don’t know….better teams for example?
I also don’t understand why 19 points distance from Papadakis & Cizeron to Stepanova & Bukin is explained by the fact that French are number 1 in France….and not by the fact that P&C are better much team than S&B now. And talking about junior years where S&B beaten P&C….who cares about it now?
And the question who is Russian number 1…are they serious after Grand Prix and Grand Prix Final results and Russian Nationals results and 69.94 points for I&Z in SD?
Elena Ilinykh & Ruslan Zhiganshin:
Lena and Ruslan are skating together for 10 months. They are criticized for many things in both Russian and English Forums….which looks like a joke noticing for how short time they skate together and noticing what they already achieved – results which other couple are working on many seasons (Silver Grand Prix medal at second competition, Grand Prix Final participation, title of Russian Champions, small Siver medal with huge score at European Championships)…
But like Maxim Staviski noticed that couples must be judged looking at skating, not for how long they skate together.
Overall they improved their FD, execution of Transition (with exception of that one stumble) and elements got better (with exception of Straight Line lift). The work done in those three weeks was noticeable. Rotations by Ruslan in Rotational lift are more clean and fluent, execution of Curved lift at the end of the program was the best we saw from them during the season.
Step Sequences the best like usual, they are even faster in it than last time. You can notice that thanks to a stumble they started Diagonal Step Sequence with much lower speed than usual…but in first three turns they were able to accelerate speed a lot to get into their usual speed mode – they are the only couple who can do this at today’s Dance field.
Twizzles had great ice coverage but two Sets were out of the synchro so judges put the GOE down to +0.27 points. (Just for fun – at Grand Prix Final FD Papadakis & Cizeron executed all three Sets out of the synchro with much smaller ice coverage and they got GOE +1.11 points.)
The dance suffered with missed lift and stumble. Skating Skills in SD should be around 9.50 points because there is no other couple with better skills – the couple got 8.39 points only. In FD Skating Skills should be lower because of stumble in Transitions, so something between 8.50 – 8.75 would be appropriate. Also judge‘s displeasure after missed lift was visible - they started to put them lower GOE in every next element. And judges also put down all Components as much as possible. So the mistake in one element caused lost points also in next 4 elements plus stumble caused lost points in all 5 Components.
In Straight Line Lift Lena put her skate on wrong place, in slow motion there is visible how the heel of her blade leaned and then slid on Ruslan’s leg. Journalists asked Ruslan and he admitted that he has bleeding scratch on his leg but in the same moment he told that he is not in pain and that it is nothing serious (http://rsport.ru/figure_skating/20150129/803037868.html). I think that Ruslan didn’t want to frighten Lena who was staying next to him in front of journalists…but if you look at slow motion – thanks to a fact that Ruslan is not using some protectors on the thigh – I think that the scratch was deeper and very painfull. Blades of skaters have to be sharp, just realise how many ladies have slight bleeding from fingers after skate just because they catched the blade carelessly in lift or Twizzles...and Lena stood on Ruslan’s leg with all her weight.
Some people point out that this lift situation was very similar to what happened to Vika and Nikita at NHK Trophy. New team, difficult elements, too short period of practises, too short time to get used to each other etc.
After some hesitancy from my side, I must admit that the situation was really very similar. But what happened next was almost the opposite. Both men were in crouching position, both men lost balance (Ruslan thanks to Lena’s blade which slid from his thigh) and their right leg went out of crouching position, but while Nikita wasn‘t able to control situation and dropped Vika, Ruslan was able to keep control and put Lena down on her legs. While it was Vika who tried to comfort Nikita after his own mistake, here it was Ruslan who tried to comfort Lena. While Nikita was not able to overcome the mistake and lost another lift because of it, Ruslan and Lena executed next lift without hesitation (Ruslan had to put Lena on the same place on leg where she cut him). Not to forget that spin without change of foot was done on injured left leg as well, especially Sit Position had to be very painfull for Ruslan. While Vika and Nikita were loosing Levels and making many mistakes during whole FD, Lena and Ruslan kept fighting to the end not loosing any Level in next element, keeping high speed and presentation until the end of program.
I must say that since Domnina & Shabalin’s Aboriginal dance hysteria in 2010, it is another situation when journalists and some people from skating world try to hunt and completely destroy some couple.
Starting with an article about Lena and Nikita coming back to each other…the article was published in the day of SD. Did anybody expected that the couple will read it and show a disaster during SD because of it?
Continuing with dirty words by Margaglio during broadcast. Uhh noticed that also Scali put some not nice words unofficially.
For whole season Tatiana Tarasova is not able to find even one good word about the couple.
Maxim Staviski criticised the couple so much during broadcast at Cup of China. All Russian commentators were saying poor words about them during Grand Prix Series. Irina Zhuk, Alexander Svinin and their student S&B are constantly complaining that they are not number 1 having the same chances.
While I can understand that Zhuk and Svinin and Tarasova are fighting for their team Sasha & Ivan…and Tarasova always had tender feelings towards Ivan Bukin, because she trained his father…I am disappointed from Margaglio and Scali’s approach. They both were top skaters in past, they know very well how the life of top athletes looks like - how many sacrifices and hours of suffering it takes. And especially Margaglio is able to say such dirty words about I&Z trying to create an idea of substandard couple.
I don’t remember Margaglio or Scali to be like this with their previous training groups. Is it really Zueva’s influence that they changed so much? But Zueva herself admit in interview that she would take both couples if also Lena and Ruslan wanted to come to her…so in reality she can hardly think so low about them if she would like to train them.
I slowly come to an opinion that low GOE and terribly low Skating Skills for I&Z are the result of “off ice work“ of Margaglio and other Zueva’s specialists who spend time between practises coming to judges and specialists persuading them that I&Z are the worst couple ever. Thankfully at least Technical panel didn’t believe this and judged what they saw.
4th place at their first European Championships is the same placement like both I&K and S&Z got at their first European Championships.
Lena and Ruslan are skating together for 10 months. They are criticized for many things in both Russian and English Forums….which looks like a joke noticing for how short time they skate together and noticing what they already achieved – results which other couple are working on many seasons (Silver Grand Prix medal at second competition, Grand Prix Final participation, title of Russian Champions, small Siver medal with huge score at European Championships)…
But like Maxim Staviski noticed that couples must be judged looking at skating, not for how long they skate together.
Overall they improved their FD, execution of Transition (with exception of that one stumble) and elements got better (with exception of Straight Line lift). The work done in those three weeks was noticeable. Rotations by Ruslan in Rotational lift are more clean and fluent, execution of Curved lift at the end of the program was the best we saw from them during the season.
Step Sequences the best like usual, they are even faster in it than last time. You can notice that thanks to a stumble they started Diagonal Step Sequence with much lower speed than usual…but in first three turns they were able to accelerate speed a lot to get into their usual speed mode – they are the only couple who can do this at today’s Dance field.
Twizzles had great ice coverage but two Sets were out of the synchro so judges put the GOE down to +0.27 points. (Just for fun – at Grand Prix Final FD Papadakis & Cizeron executed all three Sets out of the synchro with much smaller ice coverage and they got GOE +1.11 points.)
The dance suffered with missed lift and stumble. Skating Skills in SD should be around 9.50 points because there is no other couple with better skills – the couple got 8.39 points only. In FD Skating Skills should be lower because of stumble in Transitions, so something between 8.50 – 8.75 would be appropriate. Also judge‘s displeasure after missed lift was visible - they started to put them lower GOE in every next element. And judges also put down all Components as much as possible. So the mistake in one element caused lost points also in next 4 elements plus stumble caused lost points in all 5 Components.
In Straight Line Lift Lena put her skate on wrong place, in slow motion there is visible how the heel of her blade leaned and then slid on Ruslan’s leg. Journalists asked Ruslan and he admitted that he has bleeding scratch on his leg but in the same moment he told that he is not in pain and that it is nothing serious (http://rsport.ru/figure_skating/20150129/803037868.html). I think that Ruslan didn’t want to frighten Lena who was staying next to him in front of journalists…but if you look at slow motion – thanks to a fact that Ruslan is not using some protectors on the thigh – I think that the scratch was deeper and very painfull. Blades of skaters have to be sharp, just realise how many ladies have slight bleeding from fingers after skate just because they catched the blade carelessly in lift or Twizzles...and Lena stood on Ruslan’s leg with all her weight.
Some people point out that this lift situation was very similar to what happened to Vika and Nikita at NHK Trophy. New team, difficult elements, too short period of practises, too short time to get used to each other etc.
After some hesitancy from my side, I must admit that the situation was really very similar. But what happened next was almost the opposite. Both men were in crouching position, both men lost balance (Ruslan thanks to Lena’s blade which slid from his thigh) and their right leg went out of crouching position, but while Nikita wasn‘t able to control situation and dropped Vika, Ruslan was able to keep control and put Lena down on her legs. While it was Vika who tried to comfort Nikita after his own mistake, here it was Ruslan who tried to comfort Lena. While Nikita was not able to overcome the mistake and lost another lift because of it, Ruslan and Lena executed next lift without hesitation (Ruslan had to put Lena on the same place on leg where she cut him). Not to forget that spin without change of foot was done on injured left leg as well, especially Sit Position had to be very painfull for Ruslan. While Vika and Nikita were loosing Levels and making many mistakes during whole FD, Lena and Ruslan kept fighting to the end not loosing any Level in next element, keeping high speed and presentation until the end of program.
I must say that since Domnina & Shabalin’s Aboriginal dance hysteria in 2010, it is another situation when journalists and some people from skating world try to hunt and completely destroy some couple.
Starting with an article about Lena and Nikita coming back to each other…the article was published in the day of SD. Did anybody expected that the couple will read it and show a disaster during SD because of it?
Continuing with dirty words by Margaglio during broadcast. Uhh noticed that also Scali put some not nice words unofficially.
For whole season Tatiana Tarasova is not able to find even one good word about the couple.
Maxim Staviski criticised the couple so much during broadcast at Cup of China. All Russian commentators were saying poor words about them during Grand Prix Series. Irina Zhuk, Alexander Svinin and their student S&B are constantly complaining that they are not number 1 having the same chances.
While I can understand that Zhuk and Svinin and Tarasova are fighting for their team Sasha & Ivan…and Tarasova always had tender feelings towards Ivan Bukin, because she trained his father…I am disappointed from Margaglio and Scali’s approach. They both were top skaters in past, they know very well how the life of top athletes looks like - how many sacrifices and hours of suffering it takes. And especially Margaglio is able to say such dirty words about I&Z trying to create an idea of substandard couple.
I don’t remember Margaglio or Scali to be like this with their previous training groups. Is it really Zueva’s influence that they changed so much? But Zueva herself admit in interview that she would take both couples if also Lena and Ruslan wanted to come to her…so in reality she can hardly think so low about them if she would like to train them.
I slowly come to an opinion that low GOE and terribly low Skating Skills for I&Z are the result of “off ice work“ of Margaglio and other Zueva’s specialists who spend time between practises coming to judges and specialists persuading them that I&Z are the worst couple ever. Thankfully at least Technical panel didn’t believe this and judged what they saw.
4th place at their first European Championships is the same placement like both I&K and S&Z got at their first European Championships.
Sara Hurtado & Adria Diaz:
Step Sequences are not cleanly executed – especially in Circular Steps the couple doesn’t execute clean change of edges, they spread ice around. Diagonal Step Sequence was executed a little bit better. They need a lot of Basic skating drill to improve this.
Better Twizzles then usual.
The end of the program would need more dynamic gradation, but it was better than last time.
There are programs where music helps a lot to create a positive feeling and gets judges and audience into the program. In this case Sara and Adria chose music which does absolutely nothing and the couple must creat whole expression and take judges and audience into dance just by themselves. And they do it well.
I still prefer their Picasso FD, but this is very nice dance also. And what is important to me, they are dancing and feeling the music from the beginning to the end and like I&Z they live it, not just execute movements.
Step Sequences are not cleanly executed – especially in Circular Steps the couple doesn’t execute clean change of edges, they spread ice around. Diagonal Step Sequence was executed a little bit better. They need a lot of Basic skating drill to improve this.
Better Twizzles then usual.
The end of the program would need more dynamic gradation, but it was better than last time.
There are programs where music helps a lot to create a positive feeling and gets judges and audience into the program. In this case Sara and Adria chose music which does absolutely nothing and the couple must creat whole expression and take judges and audience into dance just by themselves. And they do it well.
I still prefer their Picasso FD, but this is very nice dance also. And what is important to me, they are dancing and feeling the music from the beginning to the end and like I&Z they live it, not just execute movements.
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Spot on analysis Sisinka! I will say I am very surprised to hear all the negativity aimed at I/Z.
What negativity?, everyone adores them, everyone find how justify their mistakes, I don´t think they are getting negativity, the most of people love them but of course it can´t be the 100% of people.
I love them too and they are super great considering they are so new team.
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She never used to have that before this season.:disapp: Beginning of the season she wore open shoulder (don't know how to say in english
) dresses. I thought her shoulders look strange because of that. But now she is using different dresses but her upper body posture still looks strange. :disapp:
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And the politicking against P/C begins. P/C aren`t winning because they are France`s #1, it`s because their skills and programs are sooooo good. Honestly, IMO, it`s pretty clear that with B/S absence I/Z are considered Russia`s #1. S/B barely beat I/Z and that with numerous mistakes done by I/Z.
Last 8 years russian number 1 team - doesn't matter who- succesfully beaten by teams from bulgaria, france, usa, canada and even italians in 2010. Papadakis/Cizeron skates with amazing quality. This is why they are won. Can't believe Stepanova's ego. :disagree:
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