2015 Europeans Free Dance, Jan. 29

[bwayrose7]

I agree.

The judges should have gone with Pechalat & Bourzat in Saitama for the gold. :disapp:

Yep. I'm still not happy about that one. :sarcasm:

 

[alithia]

Chapis, the negativity is coming from former skaters who are now commentators, as well as coaches who are probably jealous. The fans, of course, love them immensely.

But these insiders can affect the judges, without them even realizing it.

The skaters mentioned are both working for a rival group so why does their negativity count?
Actually for a team of 10 months, hardly,an almost 70 at the SD is what IK managed to do in the Olympic season if anything.
Sometimes I think people in Russia listen too much to the opinion of 'journalists' or 'insiders' and fail to see the big picture and unfortunately the skaters learn things like that. Obviously someone wanted to throw them off, cause someone is not happy, but the judges and specialists in the SD showed what they think of IZ very well.

 

[bramweld]

Chapis, the negativity is coming from former skaters who are now commentators, as well as coaches who are probably jealous. The fans, of course, love them immensely.

But these insiders can affect the judges, without them even realizing it.

True, when was the last time we saw a new couple progress so quickly? Lena just lost focus a bit on that lift, afterwards their show of grit and togetherness was remarkable. If they are smart, they will enclose themselves in a little bubble then ensure that they have two worthy dances next season. That's all.

 

[Alba]

Last 8 years russian number 1 team - doesn't matter who- succesfully beaten by teams from bulgaria, france, usa, canada and even italians in 2010. Papadakis/Cizeron skates with amazing quality. This is why they are won. Can't believe Stepanova's ego. :disagree:

If she can spend more time and energy on her SS, rather than ranting, would be better.

 

[Alba]

The skaters mentioned are both working for a rival group so why does their negativity count?
Actually for a team of 10 months, hardly,an almost 70 at the SD is what IK managed to do in the Olympic season if anything.
Sometimes I think people in Russia listen too much to the opinion of 'journalists' or 'insiders' and fail to see the big picture and unfortunately the skaters learn things like that. Obviously someone wanted to throw them off, cause someone is not happy, but the judges and specialists in the SD showed what they think of IZ very well.

This! :thumbsup:

 

[TMC]

And the politicking against P/C begins. P/C aren`t winning because they are France`s #1, it`s because their skills and programs are sooooo good. Honestly, IMO, it`s pretty clear that with B/S absence I/Z are considered Russia`s #1. S/B barely beat I/Z and that with numerous mistakes done by I/Z.

Can't wait for Worlds......if P/C do really well and win gold over W/P, Canadian FS journalists are going to lose their collective minds

Mind you I'm a fan of both teams and have been invested in W/P for much much longer than the French. This year though, P/C's programs appeal to me more than W/P's, which is completely not what I expected. Eh, maybe this season's programs are P/C's Riverdance and they come back next season with something lukewarm. If they win this season, then next season is W/P's for the taking. Worlds is going to be aaaaweeeeesomeeeee though!

 

[Alba]

Can't wait for Worlds......if P/C do really well and win gold over W/P, Canadian FS journalists are going to lose their collective minds

 

[BlackPack]

If she can spend more time and energy on her SS, rather than ranting, would be better.

:agree:

 

[dorispulaski]

I must say that since Domnina & Shabalin’s Aboriginal dance hysteria in 2010, it is another situation when journalists and some people from skating world try to hunt and completely destroy some couple

The people destroyed by this dance were Linichuk & Karponosov, not Domnina & Shabalin.

And it was entirely self-inflicted. How can anyone who lived and worked in North America as long as they did be so clueless as to give a top-level couple so ridiculous and inappropriate a dance to perform at an Olympics in North America?

Linichuk has no high level teams any more and Karpanosov is back in Russia. What parent or student would risk a similar debacle?

And the Australians were the ones who complained first, not the media.

Of course, then it went viral, particularly because Canadian First Nations were a co-host of the Vancouver Olympics, so no one could belive the sheer stupidity. Most people blamed the coaches since no one expects skaters to be experts on etiquette everywhere in the world, but coaches are supposed to handle these nuances for their students.

It is never a good idea to insult your host or those people your host identifies with.

 

[WeakAnkles]

The people destroyed by this dance were Linichuk & Karponosov, not Domnina & Shabalin.

And it was entirely self-inflicted. How can anyone who lived and worked in North America as long as they did be so clueless as to give a top-level couple so ridiculous and inappropriate a dance to perform at an Olympics in North America?

Linichuk has no high level teams any more and Karpanosov is back in Russia. What parent or student would risk a similar debacle?

And the Australians were the ones who complained first, not the media.

Of course, then it went viral, particularly because Canadian First Nations were a co-host of the Vancouver Olympics, so no one could belive the sheer stupidity. Most people blamed the coaches since no one expects skaters to be experts on etiquette everywhere in the world, but coaches are supposed to handle these nuances for their students.

It is never a good idea to insult your host or those people your host identifies with.

Thank you. You beat me to it.

It isn't always a conspiracy. Sometimes it's just plain stupidity.

 

[TMC]

Thank you. You beat me to it.

It isn't always a conspiracy. Sometimes it's just plain stupidity.

This should be the motto on some kind of banner on this forum (and many more)

 

[MeaganSkater]

Can someone please post a link to C/L's free dance? I cannot seem to find it anywhere on YouTube... Would like to see these major changes they made that required them to withdraw from their second grand prix.

 

[Bumdid]

Can someone please post a link to C/L's free dance? I cannot seem to find it anywhere on YouTube... Would like to see these major changes they made that required them to withdraw from their second grand prix.

http://goldenskate.com/forum/showthread.php?53945-2015-European-Videos-and-Results/page2

 

[MarieM]

Wow if noone can point to Alexandra Stepanova why her poor skating skills are the only reason they are stalling, I bet noone can do anything about this team.
Girl should learn to skate properly first, because Lena is head and shoulders above anybody else in that departement at the moment. Zahorski is another girl who can skate as well as She Hubbell.
Gabriella is fine too, it's just that Guillaume is already better than Elena and she doesn't have the best edge work yet but it has improved 100% since last year.

 

[uhh]

Gabi & Guillaume have improved their edge work, but it has come at the expense of their positions in hold. The shoulders are still close but they are getting further & further apart at the hips & I'm amazed it's not being addressed - that's the first thing my dance coach yells at me for! It's starting to mess with the posture as well - less so for him, but because her whole body isn't close to him, she has to lean in to get the top line right & then she starts to break at the waist.

 

[turgon97]

Yes, my biggest complaint about the current judging system is that judges do not really mark the different PCS categories separately. They seem to just decide what they want a team to get overall, and then mark that for each of the components, within a .25 or .5 range, marking slightly lower the weakest categories, and slightly higher the strongest categories. I think it is really a travesty in some cases- in both directions (by which I mean some skaters get marked much higher in one component than deserved and some get marked much lower than deserved.

A team like Z/G, in my humble opinion, deserves in the 9's for IN, every time. They deserve probably in the high 8's for choreo. Some programs for choreo would deserve a 9. and Performance/Execution should usually be in the 8's (theirs is held back some by their lack of technical ability). Their SS should be in the 6's really, and their TR should be somewhere solidly in the 6's as well- perhaps even low 6's or high 5's.

Instead of just acknowledging that YES, a team can preform really really well in terms of interpretation and also have really extremely mediocre transitions, the judges give them all their component marks in the 7.5 range. It is just stupid.



Yes, I heard this earlier and was VERY sad. As I've said a few times in this thread, for pure viewing pleasure, letting go of 'tech ability and tech content', they are in my top 10 favorite teams of all time. I hope they will be skating in shows :/

I agree. I think Jenny Kirk and Dave Lease comment on that a number of times in their TSL videos- how the other aspects of the PCS go in line with the skating skills score. I find that annoying, because a lot of skaters like Z/G might not have the best skating skills, but their interpretation and choreo are da bomb. There should be a greater separation of marks in these individual aspects.

 

[shine]

Can I just say how much I love Gabriella's arms/ port de bras.

Yes....the girl doesn't get nearly enough credit for the incredible things she does with her entire upper body. Cizeron has the better technique now, but for me she really brings the whole interpretation and musicality aspect alive for this team, IMO.

 

[elif]

I wondered why Cizeron's one foot section in step sequence looks smaller than Papadakis If he is so much better than her. I looked closely and I agree Cizeron helps/rides Papadakis while she does her section. He uses crossovers, two foot moves so they will not lose speed. She doesn't need to get or keep speed at all. She just had to lean right edge. It is genious idea! Unfortunately this also explain their problems with side by side step sequence in short dance. Cizeron couldn't help her than. I just noticed they changed steps sequence of short dance and put more crossovers into. Don't judge them. Chock/Bates takes tea break on their step sequence but get better level and GOE. What should they do?

Cizeron's one foot section between 1.30 and 1.38
Papadakis's one foot section between 1.44 and 1.56.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S3XcoA6IMEQ

That is Chcok/Bates's side by side steps by the way. I couldn't count how many crossovers/two foot skating was in it. I hope sisinka can explain difficult turns. I'm sure we will see more ''crossover sequences'' next year.

http://youtu.be/-2g6IMnLd8o?t=2m54s

 

[anyanka]

Can't wait for Worlds......if P/C do really well and win gold over W/P, Canadian FS journalists are going to lose their collective minds

Mind you I'm a fan of both teams and have been invested in W/P for much much longer than the French. This year though, P/C's programs appeal to me more than W/P's, which is completely not what I expected. Eh, maybe this season's programs are P/C's Riverdance and they come back next season with something lukewarm. If they win this season, then next season is W/P's for the taking. Worlds is going to be aaaaweeeeesomeeeee though!

Dunno about the Canadian press going that nuts if P/C beat W/P. Remember that P/C are coached by beloved Canadians Marie-France Dubreuil and Patrice Lauzon, and are based in Montreal. If anything, the press will likely rush to claim them as their own, as "surrogates". Heh.

 

[anyanka]

The people destroyed by this dance were Linichuk & Karponosov, not Domnina & Shabalin.

And it was entirely self-inflicted. How can anyone who lived and worked in North America as long as they did be so clueless as to give a top-level couple so ridiculous and inappropriate a dance to perform at an Olympics in North America?

Linichuk has no high level teams any more and Karpanosov is back in Russia. What parent or student would risk a similar debacle?

And the Australians were the ones who complained first, not the media.

Of course, then it went viral, particularly because Canadian First Nations were a co-host of the Vancouver Olympics, so no one could belive the sheer stupidity. Most people blamed the coaches since no one expects skaters to be experts on etiquette everywhere in the world, but coaches are supposed to handle these nuances for their students.

It is never a good idea to insult your host or those people your host identifies with.

*mic drop*