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2015 Skate Canada Autumn Classic International, Oct 12 - 15

Sackie

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Do the scores from this event count towards the Season's Best list - cause nothing has been updated there yet.
 

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:cheer: for Sean and Karina and Joe.

But why limit it to USA? :cheer: for another redhead medalist, Nicole Orford (& Asher Hill, even if he's not a redhead);)

No problem. I am happy to congratulate partners-of-redheads Karina and Asher, as well as Nicole and fellow redheads Joe and Sean.

And I liked non-redhead non-Americans Poulin/Servant very much, in addition to the other dance medalists.

And I liked other non-redheads and other non-Americans in other disciplines. I hope I have covered all the necessary disclaimers.
[ETA: Actually, I hadn't. Should have added that I liked other Americans in other disciplines as well. Now have I covered every possible category? My apologies for my oblivion if any other redheads competed in any discipline ... I would have liked them too.]

Moving on:
Lovely to see that Kharis Ralph was there to cheer for her former partner and his new partner.
Wonderful photo of Kharis in the middle of an Asher/Nicole sandwich:i
 
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Mrs. P

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Congratulations to all the medal winner, but especially to Sean. He has steadily improved and put in a lot of work and I'm so happy for him. I also hope he receives a Challenger series Senior B.

The deadline for entries by name for Tallinn Trophy is TODAY, but the one Golden Spin in Zagreb in early December isn't until Nov. 4. Alexander Johnson is the only one assigned currently, it would be great if Sean got added to the list!
 

Mrs. P

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Don't want to raise false hope for Sean ... but USFS is sending two pairs to Volvo Cup.
Last I checked, no other USFS skaters from other disciplines are assigned, but -- grasping at straws -- I wonder whether any additions are possible.

It looks like the deadline is Oct. 1, though not clear if that's the entries by name deadline.

I pick Estonia and Croatia since they are Challenger events. It would be great for him to get the SB's list for GP consideration next year.
 

CanadianSkaterGuy

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They had roughly the same TES in the LP, the difference being that Patrick got almost 5 points more in PCS for a very flawed skate in which he was behind the music for at least 1/3 of the program. The purpose, however, was not to reiterate that particular discussion, but to make a point about double standards.



In which components would you give Nam higher scores that what he has received?

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So let me get this straight: Nam should receive roughly the same PC as Yuzuru (since their TES was close) solely on the virtue of being clean even though Yuzuru is the better skater? That is the only scenario in which Nam would be placed ahead, and that is ignoring the ! call that he didn't receive on his Lz.

I never said that Nam should be given the same PCS as Yuzuru and mentioned multiple times that Hanyu is a vastly superior skater. But an SP with a major error vs a clean SP having a PCS points spread of 7.5 points is a bit ludicrous. Nam's skate is about as good as you'll get from any skater that isn't Ten/Chan/Fernandez/Hanyu.

As far as his quad being a toe axel, the tech specialist would call it if it were a toe axel (people have complained the same thing about his 4S and his 3T's on 3A+3T)... if every trained tech specialist isn't calling out the toe axel, then it's probably something negligible (like Satoko's pre-rotation, or Polina's -3T combo). I honestly think that's getting nitpicky too... it's not even a quarter of a rotation more on the ice than most guys who take off on their quad toe, and Nam's landing is definitely well-within the quarter turn allowance, at least for his 4T in these past two programs. We'll see if tech specialists get harder on him for it, but the reality is, toe axels have to be very distinctly jamming the toe in as you're facing forward, and Nam does it when he's facing to the left (so he's not picking while forward, but certainly not severely toe axeling from a backwards position either).

And those crying out ! for Nam's lutz (which I agree should have been called), are neglecting to mention that Hanyu wasn't called for his lip (not e, but that looked ! when you freeze-frame it). Perhaps the tech specialist was generous with edge calls.
 
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CanadianSkaterGuy

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Just watched D/R FP
pitty about the throws...

BUT

am i right that especially eric is a great artist on ice ... you can see how he feels the music!

maybe the best male pair skater in this olympic period

what do u think???

I think he's the most elegant of the male skaters in the field and with the greatest musicality. Usually it's the female who's the elegant, lyrical one and the male who's the strong, athletic one, but it seems to be the reverse for this pair. He actually used to be an excellent singles skater and that shows, not just in the jumps, but in presenting the programs (a lot of male pairs skaters tend to play the role of strongman and not many are really all about presentation). I'd say he's certainly more elegant than any male pairs skater Canada's ever had - but obviously there have been more elegant non-Canadian male pairs skaters in history... Eric's certainly up there though. I think it's his musicality that "saves" this couple from being labelled as a purely technical team (in the judges eyes, maybe not in the eyes of their tougher critics).
 
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It looks like the deadline is Oct. 1, though not clear if that's the entries by name deadline.

I pick Estonia and Croatia since they are Challenger events. It would be great for him to get the SB's list for GP consideration next year.

Thx, Mrs. P :).
I had rushed back to delete my post b/c I stupidly had not double-checked the date of the Volvo comp until after hitting Submit. Instead was relying on my faulty memory that it takes place a lot later than the reality of when it actually does.
My faulty memory also had me believing that Volvo was given a second year of Challenger status, although it was not.
Sorry for my errors.
 
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CanadianSkaterGuy

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Am I the only one who likes Hanyu's new costume quite a bit better than the one he wore in the summer shows? :slink: It looks much more like a Kariginu (I thought the summer one looked like Buzz Lightyear), and the new patters would probably show up much better on white ice (I think that was one complaint with the old version? That it didn't stand out on the ice) :p

It might look more authentic, but it looks clunky to me, like he's wearing an oversized cut up tunic on top of a tunic. It doesn't show off his nice posture or lines.

But the program has already come miles ahead - could be my favourite freeskate of his by the end of the season. Nice to see him taking a strong, powerful, badass music on rather than a classical warhorse. I also love the nod to Brown's hydroblading! :biggrin: Like Liza's FS, I wish he would consistently show passion throughout the program, instead of just turning it on at the end, but the front end of the program has some excellent transitions, and the first three jumping passes in particular are wonderfully woven together without much setup. Also, good on him for having the wherewithal to tack the 3S onto the 3L after stepping out of his 2nd 3A (although shame on the judge who actually gave that 3A a +1 for GOE).
 
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wonderlen3000

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not sure what the Hanyu team is thinking, i don't think he needs the 3rd Quad. As long as he lands all of his jumps content clean he can easily crack the 100 TES and i don't think anyone touch that. His TES has at least 10 points over Chan, Fernandez and Shoma and PCS wise only Chan can match that. I'm just worry he attempting all these so early in the season and getting injure again.
 

HanDomi

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not sure what the Hanyu team is thinking, i don't think he needs the 3rd Quad. As long as he lands all of his jumps content clean he can easily crack the 100 TES and i don't think anyone touch that. His TES has at least 10 points over Chan, Fernandez and Shoma and PCS wise only Chan can match that. I'm just worry he attempting all these so early in the season and getting injure again.

Hanyu already said it's not about here and now, but he eyes next olympics and wants to be ready.
Chan too thinked his tech content will be enough for next olympics and he found out it wrong


You are right that here and now Hanyu needs only two quads, but in 3 years who knows what happens ?
 

MFarone

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Was there any explanation given for Nam's wobbly skating in the FS? I wondered if he was injured or ill, but certainly it seemed that something was wrong.
 

Krunchii

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Was there any explanation given for Nam's wobbly skating in the FS? I wondered if he was injured or ill, but certainly it seemed that something was wrong.

Apparently he is recovering from a cold so he wasn't in the best condition, hope he feels better when the GPs come around
 

MFarone

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Thanks for the info! I see a lot of improvement in Nam this season and also wish him the best on the Grand Prix.

Apparently he is recovering from a cold so he wasn't in the best condition, hope he feels better when the GPs come around
 

jkun

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Hanyu already said it's not about here and now, but he eyes next olympics and wants to be ready.
Chan too thinked his tech content will be enough for next olympics and he found out it wrong


You are right that here and now Hanyu needs only two quads, but in 3 years who knows what happens ?

He has to watch out of the Boyang Jins who, if they developed some performance talent will challenge him, likely by throwing in 3-5 quads including a 4Lz.
 
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