2017 Europeans Short Dance

[Debs122]

I agree with there being a time limit, but I just wanted to correct the impression that this was several hours after the fact. It probably was over an hour but not by much. The article itself says over an hour which is the limit for an appeal and they didn't seem to expect that there would be a change.

It was several hours later when everyone was already in the hotel. Margaglio explained it on Raisport. Someone had found the mistake on YouTube and then called the assistant technical specialist who is French. This is frankly outrageous IMO.
https://twitter.com/fs_evolution/status/824978622121377792

 

[Spot]

I agree that it is human, though I'd accept it more if it was one or two judges, not all. I am personally someone who believes in video replay evidence being used in football for example, because yes, referees and judges are human and we need to support them with technology so sports people and teams do not have to suffer the consequences of human error if it can be fixed. As I said, there should be a time limit, but the principle that errors, even human errors, should be corrected if possible stands as far as I am concerned. It should be fair and accessible to all equally but there is nothing wrong with the concept of fixing human errors when it can be done.

 

[Spot]

It was several hours later when everyone was already in the hotel. Margaglio explained it on Raisport. Someone had found the mistake on YouTube and then called the assistant technical specialist who is French. This is frankly outrageous IMO.
https://twitter.com/fs_evolution/status/824978622121377792

As I said above, the L'Equipe article was published at 18:12 noting that this mistake had been observed by coaches. So unless the time of publication was altered...

 

[ruffledgrouse]

Oh, boy. Team jackets getting thrown in the trash? Sneak attack lifts? Airlines losing skates? Is the pre-Olympic season always this

 

[atsumiri]

from twitter: TAT: The French team filed complaints about C/L's error in less than 30 minutes after SD.

 

[rosy14]

from twitter: TAT: The French team filed complaints about C/L's error in less than 30 minutes after SD.

TAT has a dog in the fight, so...

 

[rosy14]

As I said above, the L'Equipe article was published at 18:12 noting that this mistake had been observed by coaches. So unless the time of publication was altered...

The competion was over at 16.30, so more than an hour have already elapsed before l'Equipe's article. Small medals alrwady awarded, press meeting over.

 

[atsumiri]

TAT has a dog in the fight, so...

at least she have some insider information....

 

[Spot]

The competion was over at 16.30, so more than an hour have already elapsed before l'Equipe's article. Small medals alrwady awarded, press meeting over.

Yes, it was over an hour, but not by that much I think, as I said (by the time the news made it to the media and the article was written and published etc...). I was only clarifying that the mistake was not noticed and brought attention to many hours later. The article itself noted that the limit is one hour and they didn't expect the mistake to be penalized as a result.

 

[alain06fr]

Talking about the notification delay is a pure waste of time!

Unfortunately, the italian technical controller being unable to see at Europeans a major non compliance to the rules (and by coincidence in favour of an italian couple) is only one of the absurdities of the SD results...

 

[chameleon]

The technical controller is only one of the three people on the panel, and also only serves as the tiebreaker vote if the technical specialist and assistant technical specialist disagree. It seems like an honest mistake.

 

[Meoima]

Talking about the notification delay is a pure waste of time!
Unfortunately, the italian technical controller being unable to see at Europeans a major non compliance to the rules (and by coincidence in favour of an italian couple) is only one of the absurdities of the SD results...

Technical specialist, the one with highest power in tech panel, is the OGM Sergei Ponomarenko.

 

[alain06fr]

Technical specialist, the one with highest power in tech panel, is the OGM Sergei Ponomarenko.

Yeah, I know the role of the Tech Specialist versus the Tech Controller... All those experts jumping on some stumbles and not being able to identify a second illegal lift... LOL!

 

[bramweld]

Ice dance as it is isn't really a sport you know. They should really add more athletic content like synchronized single or double jumps, because if something as simple as this is not noticed, well then edge/level calls are borderline bogus, right?

They should really stop with the medals and give out gift certificates and flowers and such and pretty tokens to all who participate, like a gala or something That's my story and I'm sticking to it.

 

[cathlen]

I came to admire Guignard/Fabbri. There are so many more talented couples, but while they are making more or less silly mistakes, G/F are steadily progressing little by little. Mad respect for them.

 

[bramweld]

I came to admire Guignard/Fabbri. There are so many more talented couples, but while they are making more or less silly mistakes, G/F are steadily progressing little by little. Mad respect for them.

As are T/T and FB/S

 

[Sugarpova]

And The Skating Lesson already blamed it on Russian fed. Typical trashy TSL.

we're convenient enemy not only in politics but sport as well
this past year showed it pretty well

 

[dorispulaski]

Talking about the notification delay is a pure waste of time!

Unfortunately, the italian technical controller being unable to see at Europeans a major non compliance to the rules (and by coincidence in favour of an italian couple) is only one of the absurdities of the SD results...

However, The French assistant technical specialist Petitin did not call the illegal element during the competition either. Nor did the American/Russian tech controller Ponomarenko.

My guess is that in the camera angle used by the tech panel, the amount of rotation was not as obvious as in the YouTube.

 

[sarama]

I think the tech panel didn't notice because 1. The incriminated lift was a silly mistake (it used to be 1 rotation less), so they probably weren't expecting an illegal element (they didn't see it in practices, and all season long it was fine)
2. There is one moment where Anna's foot almost touches the ground, it's likely that from their angle it looked like the lift was indeed interrupted at that point.

What I'm trying to say is that the tech panel made a mistake, but it was probably just an accident, I don't think they were trying to rig the competition or they are incompetent.

 

[Anyasnake]

Just to 'end' the speculation, what Annick, Nelson and Philippe said on French Tv :

Several international coaches saw the mistake and they alerted the MEDIA (that's why there was the article) and the controllers (this is stupid IMO, because this could have been settled before). And THEN, the media told the controllers about it.

Quite a mess. But it just shows that the skaters again have nothing to do with it, they should be left alone.