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Vincent Zhou!!! congratulations! I think that's the best he's ever skated! Wow! magnificent:luv17:
Samarin is 18 and this is his last year of Junior eligibility.
Junior events:
5 JGP seasons (9 events), 3 gold, 1 silver, 3 bronze. 2016-17 JGPF, silver. 2013 JW (8th), 2015 JW (11th), 2016 JW (4th), 2017 JW (3rd).
Senior events: Challenger events: 2015 Warsaw, 1st; 2015 Mordovian 4th, 2014 Golden Spin 8th, 2014 Ice Challenge 2nd, 2016 Volvo Open-gold. 2017 Euros 8th.
Petrov turns 18 next month and has one more year of Junior eligibility.
Junior Events: 3 JGP seasons (6 events) 1 gold, 4 silver. 2014-15 JGPF, 3rd; 2013-14 JGPF 5th. 2014 JW 4th, 2015 JW 6th, 2017 JW 4th.
Senior Events: 2 GP seasons 2015-16, 6th and 6th; 2016-17, 6th and 7th. Challenger events: 2014 Warsaw, 1st; 2014 Volvo Open, 1st; 2014 Finlandia, 3rd; 2016 Nebelhorn 1st; Finlandia 6th; Golden Spin 4th. Senior B: 2016 Sportland 2nd; 2016 Sarajevo Open 2nd; 2015 Coupe de Nice 6th; 2014 Coupe de Nice 1st; 2013 Volvo Cup 2nd
Nathan Chen is 17 and has one more season of Junior eligibility
Junior events: 6 JGP events over 4 seasons 2012 (1), 2013 (2), 2014 (1), 2015 (2): 5 gold, 1 silver. 2013-14 JGPF 3rd; 2015-16 JGPF 1st. JW 2014 3rd, JW 2015 1st
Senior events: one GP season 2016-17 2nd, 4th. 2016-17 GPF 2nd. 2017 4CC Championship, 1st.
2016 Finlandia Challenger, 1st.
Vincent Zhou is 16 and has two more seasons of Junior eligibility.
Junior events: 4 JGP events, 3 silver, 1 4th place. 2015-16 JGPF - 4th. 2016 JW 5th, 2017 JW, 1st.
Senior event: 2017 Bavarian Open, 1st.
Both Nathan and Vincent have lost competition time due to injuries. After winning the 2012 US Junior Championship, Nathan began to have severe pain due to the growth-related Osgood-Schlatter syndrome, which affects the bone endings. He did only one JGP event in the fall of 2012. In 2013, because of his physical problems, Nathan lost the 2013 Junior Championship to Vincent Zhou.
But right after that win, Vincent suffered a severe injury which required surgery, and which kept him off the ice until the summer of 2015. He made his JGP debut in the fall of 2015.
Nathan won back his US Junior title in 2014 and competed at JW 2014, placing 3rd. He suffered another injury and he competed in only one JGP event in 2014-15. He competed at 2015 US Senior Nationals and was 8th; he went on to finish 4th at 2015 JW and went back to the JGP for the 2015-16 season, where he won the JGPF. (Vincent returned to make his JGP debut that same year, won two silver medals and was 4th at that same JGPF).
Nathan was 3rd at 2016 US Nationals and was slated to go to both JW and Worlds, but he sustained a hip injury during the US Nationals gala, had to have surgery, and returned in early summer to prepare for his GP debut. It is incredible that he learned and practiced all those hard quads in such a short time and had them ready for the start of the season.
Vincent, meanwhile, was working hard on learning more quads and correcting his UR problem with the 4S. That paid off with his 2017 JW Championship.
It is obvious that both Samarin and Petrov have had far more experience at both Junior and Senior levels than either Chen or Zhou. Given that, they should be better than the Americans---but they are not.
I thought nics pcs was a bit high for the freeskate? Roman struggled at nationals and now here. Find his skating better than nics but quite slow?
Sorry for not reading 46 pages of posts, but could someone please briefly explain to my wife and I why the judges think Kevin Aymoz's PCSs should be anywhere near Vincent Zhou's? I will go to the marks and see what they say, but Mr. Aymoz's presentation and skating skills and interpretation were dramatically lower In our very humble opinion.....
(OK, I reviewed the marks. I have seen , if the order of judges remains the same, there is no real consensus here, one way or the other....quality seems to be "just what you like". Witness the marks for interpretation of the music....
Zhou Interpretation of the Music 2.00 8.25 7.75 7.75 7.75 7.50 6.75 7.75 7.25 7.50 7.61
Aymoz Interpretation of the Music 2.00 7.00 8.00 8.00 7.50 7.25 7.75 7.75 6.75 7.50 7.54
Three judges gave the nod to Aymoz and two tied????? Really? I dont think so , Tim
Skating skills?
Zhou Skating Skills 8.25 7.75 7.25 7.00 7.75 7.00 7.50 7.25 7.50 7.43
Aymoz Skating Skills 7.25 8.00 7.75 6.75 7.50 7.75 7.75 7.00 7.75 7.54
So a guy with two quads cant skate as well as a guy who cant even do a triple triple????? *
Since there is no clear agreement judge to judge, I call bravo sierra on the PCS grading system.
booooooggguuuuusssssssss.
OK, I feel better!
*Jason Brown is clearly the exception here...NOBODY skates as well as Jason.......
It is obvious that both Samarin and Petrov have had far more experience at both Junior and Senior levels than either Chen or Zhou. Given that, they should be better than the Americans---but they are not.
Aliev still my favourite at juniors (two seasons in a row): artistically he's so good and he is much more consistent than before.
I hope the federation will bet on him next season (just like they did with Mikhail Kolyada this year): we know how difficult is for a st. peter skater to stay in the mix, especially if you are more a components skater and you don't always have the jumps to get the marks anyway.
Is it just me or it seems that St. Petersburg skaters are in general much better than Moscow skaters on the second mark?
So what?
I don't get the comparison.
Chen and Zhou have always been wonderkids, US biggest hopes for 2018.
Samarin and Petrov had to work very hard to gain consistency and learn quads, Petrov still has issues with the 4T and i don't think he has never attempted the 4S at least an international competition. Until last season no one believed in Samarin cause he failed to medal at JW so many times under Buyanova and Goncharenko's coaching (CSKA's best coaches). This is a huge achievement for them and possibly a turning point on their careers.
Though i've to say here Petrov deserved higher PCS than Samarin, and maybe even that bronze medal: the first one was an actual performance, the second one more a series of jumps and spins.
But why with Fernandez, hanyu, Jin, Chen, Zhou, chan, going to competions with multiple quads are Petrov Aliev and Samarin going to events with only one kind of quad? Samarin did 2 quad toes that must be noted but why not two quad toes and another 1 or 2 other quads. Aliev and Petrov only did one quad toe. So there was a development problem in jumps with those skaters. I mean at first I was like they are juniors full time seniors only part time but are they competing Down rather than competing up?
Jump content has nothing to do with the mark for skating skills. I suggest you familiarise yourself with the ISU judging handbooks before sounding off like that again.
How tall is he? He seems to be as tall as Lysacek...
Its just on this particular skating comp, Aymoz had a bad day.....all around....and was overscored by certain judges, or the judging system itself for PCS is at fault
Nadeau is 6'1", so 1 inch shorter than Evan.
Thanks. Then he's very tall too. I saw him last year, and he was already tall then but I am sure he's grown a lot since.
That "never been a huge talent" had 3A-3T by age 13. So get your facts straight.My guess is that russian coaches have a tradition of great male jumpers, so before teaching multiple quads they work more on the quality of these jumps (and aiming for higher GOEs), like the height on the quad.
As i said before both Petrov and Samarin have never been huge talents, so the expectations are not huge: i think Mishin is working on the PCS with Petrov, he has good skating skills, i can see some improvements on the interpretation of these programs although he doesn't have the charisma yet, to me he needs another quad.
With Samarin they are working primarily on jumps so i can see him attempting three quads next season, why not?
Aliev is clearly a PCS skater (just like Denis Ten or Jason Brown), that's why i said before, he needs some push from the federation cause judges don't throw high PCS so easily, especially when you don't have an higher TES than your competitors. Anyway he landed 2 quads with his previous free skate at a GP event earlier this season.
Nic was 6 ft last year. Conrad may also be 6 ft now because this photo from the Junior Worlds closing banquet (https://www.instagram.com/p/BR71YP7BDST/) shows that he's taller than Roman, who's 5'11".