2018-19 Russian test skates

[cruzceleste]

Pretty sure this thread would be closed soon

 

[Fluture]

...If she has the time for it. She doesn't have the luxury of doing whatever she wants and getting guaranteed international spots or even status as a top skater like someone with longevity like Kostner might. If she has a poor season and doesn't even make the world championship team, what will happen to her goals?

With all respect, isn‘t it a bit early to say she might not make the world team? We were having September last time I checked.

And if you didn‘t talk about this season but the next: Well, as long as she is in the national team of Russia she gets her funding, helping her pay for training in Canada + having sponsors. This should be pretty managable even next season. Alena, Sasha, Anna and Alina, even if she is behind all of them, she‘s still on the main team. She might not go to Worlds for a season and so what? Then she‘s got time to train new layout and new jumps + improve lutz. We don’t know whether all of the juniors will make it to seniors successfully. As much as I love all three of them, there is a high probability from juniors not adjusting too well into seniors. We‘ve seen it multiple times in the past, unfortunately. So, of course she‘s not one to count on others being out due to whatever reason so she tries to improve. She is focusing on 2022 even if people don‘t believe it. She said it multiple times. We will see how she fares and whether she manages. I hope she will but it will be tough, very tough. No doubt.

 

[DeeDee18]

I wonder if people actually followed Alina last season. Did some people here only watch her (incredibly impressive) olympic performances or what? :think: Her falling and missing a few jumps is nothing new. Last year at both IDF & Cup of China she did not have perfect skates and won gold by pulling herself together in the free skate.

Yeah pulled herself with a FS that she’s been skating for the 2nd year. At this moment, her SP and FS are pre much as unstable as her SP at the beginning of the year last year, so there’s still a lot of work to do.

 

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Companies that fail to plan for the long term with the excuse, oh we must be nimble, oh we must pivot for the next big thing, fail just as much as other companies. Maybe more so.

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Look, I know a bit about strategy because for many years I worked in The Boston Consulting Group. Having long-term goals is one thing - the company without the direction will likely sink. Having the long-term strategy the way the companies did it before: a thick document with 5 year financial projections, market shares by product and markets, etc. is another. It is only as good as your assumptions. While 20-30 years ago they could be quite solid, they make little sense now: the environment changes with accelerating speed. So that the key task today is to have the organization that while keeping its core values has the competences to remain excellent in the ever-changing environment from day one. Business (well, start-ups excluding) can hardly afford the stance that we might lose money the next couple of years but we have written an excellent strategy and we are sure that we shall be in the good black in 5 years.

 

[Sam-Skwantch]

Pretty sure this thread would be closed soon

I think we need to discuss Stasya before that happens.

https://youtu.be/N83up0nqQ_I

I thought it was an intriguing program with a great StSeq.

 

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Pretty sure this thread would be closed soon

Sure, test skates are over - competitions start this week.

 

[leoleo]

Yeah pulled herself with a FS that she’s been skating for the 2nd year. At this moment, her SP and FS are pre much as unstable as her SP at the beginning of the year last year, so there’s still a lot of work to do.

how is her SP unstable? except from people not liking the program there was no issue with her SP. She skated it just fine and landed all her jumps with difficult transitions + with the most difficult jump layout so what about her SP?

FS is unstable just as it was last year early in the season even tho she was already used to the program and same with the other girls. Nobody yesterday had a perfect skate so there is still work to do for everybody really.

 

[cruzceleste]

I think we need to discuss Stasya before that happens.

https://youtu.be/N83up0nqQ_I

I thought it was an intriguing program with a great StSeq.

Yes, nice steps, pushing her edges...

 

[Ophelia]

Look, I know a bit about strategy because for many years I worked in The Boston Consulting Group. Having long-term goals is one thing - the company without the direction will likely sink. Having the long-term strategy the way the companies did it before: a thick document with 5 year financial projections, market shares by product and markets, etc. is another. It is only as good as your assumptions. While 20-30 years ago they could be quite solid, they make little sense now: the environment changes with accelerating speed. So that the key task today is to have the organization that while keeping its core values has the competences to remain excellent in the ever-changing environment from day one. Business (well, start-ups excluding) can hardly afford the stance that we might lose money the next couple of years but we have written an excellent strategy and we are sure that we shall be in the good black in 5 years.

Yawn. MBB mgmt consulting is all about pontificating about high level strategy and then handing off the actual execution/implementation work.

 

[Ziotic]

how is her SP unstable? except from people not liking the program there was no issue with her SP. She skated it just fine and landed all her jumps with difficult transitions + with the most difficult jump layout so what about her SP?

FS is unstable just as it was last year early in the season even tho she was already used to the program and same with the other girls. Nobody yesterday had a perfect skate so there is still work to do for everybody really.

Actually most difficult layout would include 3A.

 

[leoleo]

Actually most difficult layout would include 3A.

what is your point? i said she had the most difficult layout of all the short programs which she did.

 

[Ziotic]

what is your point? i said she had the most difficult layout of all the short programs which she did.

I mean I would argue doing the combo in the back half is the most difficult layout.

After all isn’t that why they get the bonus? Because it’s more difficult?

 

[leoleo]

I mean I would argue doing the combo in the back half is the most difficult layout.

After all isn’t that why they get the bonus? Because it’s more difficult?

i think this is the best layout for her! if she struggles with the combo in the first half she can just add the loop to her flip at the end (even tho it would not go too well with the music since she lands the flip right at an important music note)

PS: sorry if i sounded like i was jumping at your throat, that's what reading dumb comments all day does to you i guess i get defensive

 

[Shayuki]

I mean I would argue doing the combo in the back half is the most difficult layout.

Sure, but -3Lo combo is still significantly more difficult than a -3T combo.

 

[narcissa]

She did not think much past Korea. All plans were around the OGM goal and the road was clean: she always won.

She did say she was always aiming for 2 Olympics. So I guess it's your word against hers.

 

[Seren]

Considering Evgenia ended up doing a completely different LP than what she showed at the test skates last year I’m not that concerned she forgot choreography. At least it will be the same program!

 

[alpaca]

With all thee talk about Eteri's super juniors coming in, I honestly think it's too early to judge. They might all do well, or they might not. We've seen a lot of one season wonder skaters (which is unfortunate but true) and Zhenya's honestly a rare-type Russian skater to have lasted a whole quad at the top, top level. We don't know if another skater will pop up in the next 4 years (like Alina) that we don't know about yet and to make judgments and say that she will be over in the next season or two. I think even if she doesn't make the worlds team once, as long as she stays on the nationals team, there will be plenty of opportunities and time for growth. I think it's best for us to be supportive of all the skaters and don't trash talk on them at a personal level but make constructive criticisms.

 

[Sam-Skwantch]

Considering Evgenia ended up doing a completely different LP than what she showed at the test skates last year I’m not that concerned she forgot choreography. At least it will be the same program!

It’s a good point to consider. Still....let’s not confuse forgetting choreography with wanting to forget your choreography

I’m not actually that worried for Zhenya. I was just saying I don’t remember seeing her show up to an event even slightly underprepared. My earlier post was to note that it is a little weird to get accustomed to and that it is a fair topic of discussion. I’m not even sure I said if it was good or bad but rather just something to acknowledge.

 

[leoleo]

It's not just Eteri girls who are a threat to the current russian seniors. Looking at the JGP every girl is a potential threat. There's a huge army of russian juniors lining up to take the spot of whoever has a weak moment. They're all throwing 3lz-3los in the air like it's no big deal

 

[Jeanie19]

Maybe it's time to admit that both girls receive very harsh and unfair comments trying to pass for "just criticism" and both girls have overzealous fans defending them even against fair discussions of their respective flaws. Admit it and then stop doing it. I know for a fact that many users who complain about unfair comments towards Alina have made very ugly remarks about Evgenia on this very forum and vice versa. Let's just not behave that way and treat all these athletes with respect instead.

I totally agree. :agree: