All right
Too much to asses for me. We'll just see what happens. I don't think USFS(or any fed) has a plan for everything that can happen. Let's hope for the best for all skaters!
Alysa Liu withdraws from Nationals, due to Covid
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Too much to asses for me. We'll just see what happens. I don't think USFS(or any fed) has a plan for everything that can happen. Let's hope for the best for all skaters!
I agree, hard to gauge a person's feeling through insta. I just stated my impression. Didn't say anything was wrong with feeling cheerful. I'd rather she not be crushed like Brandon.
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I don't think it changes much, to be honest. If Alysa does the 2A, which I think the USFSA would ask her to do in the team event, her TES would still be higher than Mariah or Karen because Alysa does the combo in the bonus, does the flip instead of the loop, and prerotates jumps rather than under-rotating at the end which makes it much less likely she'd get < calls. While the two veterans would earn higher PCS, in the end any of the three would probably finish 3rd in the Team SP so it doesn't make sense to do a substitution there except to gift Mariah or Karen a medal.
I thought Karen Chen was credited with securing the third Olympic spot
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Karen, Alysa, or Bradie can be credited with securing the third spot, depending on which skater you like the best
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from my understanding, Karen opened up the possibility of a third spot with her 4th place at worlds, and Alysa secured it with her win at nebelhorn trophy.
I'm sad Alysa has to withdraw, I wish her a swift recovery!
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lol, what? She can simply not do the 3A in the team event. I'm sure the USFS would rather rely on her than Karen or Mariah, neither of whom have a consistent 3-3.
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Pairs is the weakest US discipline. By far.
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No, not really by far.
We have two pairs teams who each won a medal on the GP. We have no ladies.
hard to say the discipline that did better on the GP is "by far" the weakest.
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For the umpteenth time Gracie can get the minimums at Bavarian Open.
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USFS has stated they will be sending different teams to Olympics and 4CC, so take that as a given. Where this gets interesting is the Olympic alternate position, especially the first alternate. Normally, this person would go to 4CC while retaining their alternate position for the Games which of course takes place after 4CC but not long after. However, with COVID Omicron going around, a skater has an interesting choice to make: do they go to 4CC and risk picking up the crud and in that event, effectively forfeiting any chance to remain a viable Olympic alternate? Or do they decline 4CC, stay bubbled as much as possible, and gamble that they will be given the call?
This is not a theoretical exercise anymore, especially for the US Ladies and Pairs Alternates #1.
This is not a theoretical exercise anymore, especially for the US Ladies and Pairs Alternates #1.
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I'm not sure why you feel this way. That third spot provided a chance for Liza Tuk to go to Worlds last year and as it turns out, that will likely be her final international event. I'll also add that a healthy Alysa and a healthy Bradie along with Lindsay could have kept three spots for the US. As for the ladies being "By Far The Weakest of the four disciplines" I believe it's pairs that only have 2 spots while all other disciplines have 3.
Knierem/Frazier, Calalang/Johnson, CG-LeDuc collectively have more potential to perform strongly internationally than do Mariah Bell, Karen Chen and Alysa Liu.
Everyone was shocked and amazed when Bell eked out a poor triple-triple last night as she has only managed to complete one other 3-3 all season. Alysa can't consistently land her 3A and doesn't have any technical advantage to make up for her unremarkable skating skills & artistry, and Karen Chen, although the best all-around women's skater, under-rotates many of her jumps. OTOH, C/J have some of the very best lifts in the world along with a top-tier triple twist, K/F are well-rounded without any technical weaknesses, and CG/L have a superb sophistication, great programs, and beautiful lines.
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No she can't, because she won't be there.
Very good point! If I were the Olympic alternate, no way would I want to attend 4CC!! Too big of a risk!
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Yes she can if she is being considered for the Olympic Team and they choose to send her there. Bavarian Open has taken last minute entries for minimums before. Read earlier in this thread.
They’re supposed to make this decision tomorrow January 8 (pending things like minimums and petitions). The ladies short program at the Bavarian Open will be January 19 at the earliest. That is more than enough time for the organizers accommodate for an additional entry.
Alysa has a big technical advantage, with her second half combos. She has never scored below 200 and has the highest US ladies score this year. Funny how all year people have been remarking on her improved skating skills and one fall on a 3A, a jump she doesn’t even need at Nationals, brings out the naysayers.
She doesn’t have the body of work, so USFSA would have to change their criteria to send her.
Is her team assured she will be guaranteed a spot. Cause there is a chance she would not have gotten onto the podium here being 3rd with Lindsay within a point. And it looks like she just went through a massive growth spurt since the last time we saw her. I didnt realise it was her until I recognised the dress. It would probably have been a good idea to withdraw if she knew the fed was gonna sent her anyway and not risk being in a Pewter situation like Wagner. Also is she even going to be allowed into the olympics. PCR can come back positive within 3 months of having COVID and Beijing seem to be very strict about their COVID testing policy
