I just don't understand why there's always the need to compare skaters and figure out who the "superior" one is?Exactly. Kinda reminds me of the bad ole days where every thread became a Hanyu thread.
why is everyone fighting? I just wanted help with a question. I really can't look at a skater and say if their skating skills are good, great, average, or bad. I wasn't asking for conspiracy theories or fan service.
I still have questions regarding Skating Skills: speed, power, flow, glide: I find this funny because I've noticed that many footwork sequences are used as a resting spot. And I notice that the skater is going slower even through the television. Would a slower step squence get negative GOE?
Also, why did the IJS change the components rules to use the word "clarity" instead of "quantity"? It seems that QUANTITY has been increasing and increasing: there's so many intricacies involved in what must be done. Does that make sense? I'm trying to word this easily but failing!
Hmmmm. I think I see your point. Maybe I'm asking both questions?But is your question really "What are the components of these elements"?
or
"I see skater X was ranked highly on these elements and I don't see it, why were they ranked that way?"
Can you see why I think those are two different questions?
I still have questions regarding Skating Skills: speed, power, flow, glide: I find this funny because I've noticed that many footwork sequences are used as a resting spot. And I notice that the skater is going slower even through the television. Would a slower step squence get negative GOE?
Also, why did the IJS change the components rules to use the word "clarity" instead of "quantity"? It seems that QUANTITY has been increasing and increasing: there's so many intricacies involved in what must be done. Does that make sense? I'm trying to word this easily but failing!
Thanks for coming back to the topic of the thread you started!Hmmmm. I think I see your point. Maybe I'm asking both questions?
I read the criteria for the revised 3 component scores that began last year, and under Skating Skills it says to execute the steps, turns and movements with blade control and body control. Is it easier to determine who has good SS by looking at 1. how often they're using both feet 2. who begins pumping their back during crossovers 3. looking at a step sequence where the skater makes it look like work. ?
But then, you get into the issue of how a skater can go down from a level 4 to a level 2 in a step sequence, and I'm lost.
Skating Skills: Defined by overall cleanness and sureness, edge control and flow over the ice surface demonstrated by a command of the skating vocabulary (edges, steps, turns, etc.), the clarity of technique and the use of effortless power to accelerate and vary speed. In evaluating the Skating Skills, the following must be considered:
a. Use of deep edges, steps and turns;
b. Balance, rhythmic knee action and precision of foot placement;
c. Flow and glide;
d. Varied use of power, speed and acceleration;
e. Use of multi directional skating;
f. Use of one-foot skating.
The ability of the skater to execute the skating repertoire of steps, turns and skating movements with blade and body control.
Variety of edges, steps, turns, movements and directions
Clarity of edges, steps, turns, movements and body control
Balance and glide
Flow
Power and speed
have you seen skating live? I find it is easier to notice speed, power, flow and glide live at the rink. You can even hear sounds... good ones and bad ones of the blades on the ice. I am not an expert, far from there, but I watch a lot of skating, and there is nothing like being at the rink and watching the blades. I find that a lot of focus is on the upper body while what happens ON the ice is really what matters.I still have questions regarding Skating Skills: speed, power, flow, glide: I find this funny because I've noticed that many footwork sequences are used as a resting spot. And I notice that the skater is going slower even through the television. Would a slower step squence get negative GOE?
Also, why did the IJS change the components rules to use the word "clarity" instead of "quantity"? It seems that QUANTITY has been increasing and increasing: there's so many intricacies involved in what must be done. Does that make sense? I'm trying to word this easily but failing!
Aw, lucky you! I've only seen P2 compete live, but it was an experience to treasure.Once i had the privilege of seeing Virtue and Moir, Piper and Paul and Weaver and Poje skate back to back to back. It was very revealing in why Virtue and Moir were in a class of their own. Yet, each team had areas of great qualities. Weaver and Poje were very powerful on the ice, and since he is so tall, it was quite impressive to watch them in lifts for instance. Piper and Paul interpret music like nobody else. They are mesmerizing.
living in montreal is very useful... ACI + IAM = lots of great dance... back then, it was also the Pairs Hub in Canada too with D/R, S./B etc... i have seen lots of good skating indeed. I have also had the pleasure of seeing FBS <3 Hoping to see LaLa Live soon.Just want to give a big to @gkelly for the in-depth technical explanations (and for rescuing this thread, hopefully...)
Aw, lucky you! I've only seen P2 compete live, but it was an experience to treasure.
Also agree - Junior Grand Prix stages are especially helpful for this as they typically feature a huge range of abilities.I absolutely agree on the "watching skaters of different levels" part. For me who only watched the big championships in my youth it was extremely helpful when I started to watch full competitions of juniors or national championships of smaller feds from start to finish. Often you will see big differences in skills which helps you see the difficulties even already very good skaters have. You rarely see these difficulties in full display at the absolute top - but when your attention has been drawn to these points and aspects your focus will be on them and you will see them on a smaller scale or how a clever choreography helps to veil them.
No. Plenty of singles skaters can have beautiful ice dance skating skills and plenty of ice dancers (especially solo dancers) skate on singles blades. It is a very slight advantage that is not really worth it unless you only do ice dance or are competing at a really high level. For example, I'm a senior level ice dancer, but I also do ice shows that require jumping, so I haven't switched to dance blades because the annoyance of two pairs of skates would not be worth it for me. I recently switched to MK Gold Star and I LOVE it but Gold Seals are also popular for ice dancers. Dance boots and blades are actually a fairly recent invention when we look at the timeline of skating as a whole.Single skaters wearing different skates, particularly the blades, must also affect what they can do easily, or what they can do at all? As separate moves, and as clusters?
Pretty much anyone who can land all their double jumps has done this exercise. Pretty much everyone who can land quads has done this exercise on a triple jump. I could give you names but I'd literally just be listing every single man who skates at the senior level internationally.I'm sorry, I still don't know who.
Yes, for sure. In ice dance, to get a level 4 the only requirement is five perfectly clean turns from the six choices of mohawk, choctaw, rocker, counter, bracket, twizzle. One foot step sequence, our version of the cluster, (four turns on one foot) is a separate element. In singles you have to do a bajillion turns with a bajillion body movements. Because of this, judges in singles aren't looking for clean turns. They're looking for recognizable turns. That's also why mohawk doesn't count in singles: doing a recognizable mohawk is easy whereas doing a clean mohawk is extremely difficult. So in the end they're just different.Do the level requirements for singles (e.g. upper body movement, fitting in all required turn clusters) play a role in making it harder to maintain turn quality?