World's 2018 - Practice reports

[cheerknithanson]

There's a major nor'easter in the MidAtlantic states today and tomorrow....

No kidding. I live in NoVa (Northern VA) and I was already on campus for lab safety orientation and BSL-2 safety orientation (Required for my intro to grad studies class) when I got an email alert that classes starting 4 pm or later were cancelled. And so that meant I had no class today. And maybe none tomorrow...

 

[oatmella]

It seems that's Jackie's niche. Seems that no one else is reporting on each and every jump lol

 

[saphire]

What awful luck? I was worried about this when I read about boots donated to his favorite restaurant. I thought this is not good. Japan may not end up with three spots now.

Apparently he replaced his boots just after the Olympics because they were wearing down, not because he donated his old ones to a restaurant. https://twitter.com/yawning_shoma/status/976072979183435776

 

[pearly]

Because maybe half of us aren't at the practice rink to see it in the first place?
Types of jumps are not that easy to recognise for a casual fan either. And knowing which jumps a skater did, or did not do, in practice could give us a picture of their planned layout (I don't trust the planned content sheet anymore. Deniss has done a different FS layout every single time this season) and/or how well they might do in the actual competiton.
He does also comment on other things from time to time like the quality of the ice, how skaters are doing in practice, and music changes (to indicate a change in program).
It's very valuable to those of us who aren't there and want to know how certain skaters are getting on.

they aren't paid for reporting, so they can report as they want and to their ability. I find the reports interesting, because I cannot be there. Go find other sources if you like.

You're missing my point. I am not criticizing, I'm asking - what useful information do you get from a report who landed/ur'd/popped/fell on one of several hundred practices they do in a year. I wasn't commenting on the fact he is doing the reporting in general, but the jumps in practice. So far you gave one good point - layout changes. Anything else?

 

[Logirl]

I am aware of that. I am saying that is when I knew there may be a problem. I read about boots being donated and I knew he got rid of them because of wear. I knew he would be coming in with new boots and that is just not good. I wonder if he will consider watering down his tech just to secure a higher enough place to give the other Japanese skaters a chance to secure three spots. Like forget about gold. Can he do quad toe and triple axles and any other triples in these boots.

 

[chloepoco]

Apparently he replaced his boots just after the Olympics because they were wearing down, not because he donated his old ones to a restaurant. https://twitter.com/yawning_shoma/status/976072979183435776

I like Shoma's attitude--takes responsibility; and tries to make the best of the situation.

 

[CanadianSkaterGuy]

I have to say I don't understand why Jackie Wong spends so much time on his practice reports where he only reports on jumps. Who cares what XY jumped in their daily practice? Why not also report on their spin or stsq levels?

Spin levels and Stsq levels in practice are rather pointless. We've seen what most of the skaters' spins and footwork look like this season in their programs, and jumps are the main variable. Even jumps in practice are not a great indicator of competition output, but at least they can show in the lead up to a competition what the skater is landing cleanly and if they're struggling on any key elements.

Not to mention, just like jumps, skaters don't fully commit in practices -- they don't hold their spin positions or fully commit to their StSq (they need to use body movements for example for 1/3 of the sequence and that can be hard to measure in real time, especially if a skater isn't doing every movement because it's a practice runthrough).

As xeyra mentioned, it's much easier to keep track as to what jumps are being done.

 

[lavenderblossom]

You're missing my point. I am not criticizing, I'm asking - what useful information do you get from a report who landed/ur'd/popped/fell on one of several hundred practices they do in a year. I wasn't commenting on the fact he is doing the reporting in general, but the jumps in practice. So far you gave one good point - layout changes. Anything else?

A few examples of things I learn from Jackie's reports:
-new jumps (eg someone, let's say a lady previously without a 3Lz suddenly starts landing them in practice)
-lacking jumps (someone that was landing 4Lz previously isn't practicing it or landing it/ is not landing anything)
-injuries (eg Evgenia Tarasova had an accident in practice last year and had to skate with stitches, someone might turn up with a wrap or knee support)
-if someone missed practice
-if someone is having equipment problems (I found out about Kim/Kam's lost luggage through his Twitter)
All of these are things that could affect the performances of the skaters and their relative placements, so I count them as useful information.

 

[Logirl]

It sounds like he cant jump now. He probably should withdraw and get an xray on right feet.

 

[lavenderblossom]

Ok, since we need a report on Shoma's jumps, who better to tell us than Jackie?

http://www.rockerskating.com/news/2018/3/18/2018-worlds-practice-notes

Uno: 2A, 3S, 3Lo, 3A, 4T, 2F, 4F(<<,2ft,step), 4F(ur,fall), 4F(2ft,turn), 4Lo(<<,step), runthru (4Lo(ur,fall), 4F, 3Lo, 3A, 3T(fall), 4T(turn), 3A1/2Lo3F(step), 3S(fall)), 3S3T, 4T(step,hand)
Uno: 3S(step), 3S, 2A, 3A(hangs on), 3A, 3A, 4T, 4T3T, 4F(<<,step), runthru (4F(<<?2ft,step), 4T3T, 3A), 4F(<<,step), 4F(<<,step), 3F

He was only at the last practice for a few minutes, no jumps.
His 4T, 3A and other triples seem to be fine by usual Shoma-messy-practice standards, it's the 4F and 4Lo that aren't happening.

 

[pearly]

A few examples of things I learn from Jackie's reports:
-new jumps (eg someone, let's say a lady previously without a 3Lz suddenly starts landing them in practice)
-lacking jumps (someone that was landing 4Lz previously isn't practicing it or landing it/ is not landing anything)
-injuries (eg Evgenia Tarasova had an accident in practice last year and had to skate with stitches, someone might turn up with a wrap or knee support)
-if someone missed practice
-if someone is having equipment problems (I found out about Kim/Kam's lost luggage through his Twitter)
All of these are things that could affect the performances of the skaters and their relative placements, so I count them as useful information.

My question was specific and related to the reporting he does on jumps, not other things you listed. All reports are appreciated, but this devoted tweeting of each jump that happens perplexes me. The first two things you wrote partially answered my question.

CanadianSkaterGuy - I know it is much easier to keep track of jumps than spins and StSq so my question is it is pointless work or do you find it useful and if yes, please share how exactly.

VenusHalley - to say "go find other sources" as soon as someone says - or asks! - something you think you disagree with is not very productive or educational. Lavanderblossom gave a few good points, please share yours.

 

[Logirl]

It is more than that.

Ok, since we need a report on Shoma's jumps, who better to tell us than Jackie? :dev3:

http://www.rockerskating.com/news/2018/3/18/2018-worlds-practice-notes



He was only at the last practice for a few minutes, no jumps.
His 4T, 3A and other triples seem to be fine by usual Shoma-messy-practice standards, it's the 4F and 4Lo that aren't happening.

The media is reporting a right foot injury. It is more than that. He jumped up because something was wrong. He was escorted from facility and his foot iced. Now they are reporting a right foot injury.

 

[Arriba627]

And Julian Yee's luggage did not arrive in Milan with him.

I do not know whether there has been any update on his luggage since then.

Seems that several other skaters traveling from Canada and the U.S. also had travel hassles en route to Milan. Flight cancellations and delays.
Kirsten M-T and Michael, Larkyn, Kaetlyn, Knierims and Mirai, I forget who else.

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Thanks to those who are posting practice reports.

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Yesterday I was SO disappointed in all the no-shows for practices. Then I realized that many of these skaters had the same difficulties I did. There were lots of us with big-time delays in the Frankfurt airport, and I heard other European cities had similar problems. Lots of snow and high winds. I had flown in from Chicago, and a bunch of people who were coming from Toronto were all trying to get on the Frankfurt/Milan flight. Bruce Marcotte was there in the waiting lounge, and I'm 99% sure Kaetlyn Osmond was there waiting too. My huge surprise when I got to Milan was that my luggage actually was on the flight. My 8:45 am was cancelled and I was on the 3:45 pm. I imagine some of the skaters weren't quite as fortunate with their luggage. Chris and Alexa Knieram weren't at practice. Maybe they had similar circumstances and bad luck with luggage.

 

[lavenderblossom]

My question was specific and related to the reporting he does on jumps, not other things you listed. All reports are appreciated, but this devoted tweeting of each jump that happens perplexes me. The first two things you wrote partially answered my question.

CanadianSkaterGuy - I know it is much easier to keep track of jumps than spins and StSq so my question is it is pointless work or do you find it useful and if yes, please share how exactly.

VenusHalley - to say "go find other sources" as soon as someone says - or asks! - something you think you disagree with is not very productive or educational. Lavanderblossom gave a few good points, please share yours.

Forgive me, I read your first question as if it said that the only thing Jackie does in his practice reports is report on jumps.
Since this issue with Shoma's boots has just come up another example could be that his reports tell us which jumps he's able to actually do in them.
And I would say also it's useful just to know what kind of practice a skater's had. If it goes well, they land everything, you can be confident that they'll be alright. If it goes badly, brace yourself and pray. But opinions on good practice v bad practice differ. If Jackie tells me - I hate to bring up Shoma but it's first example that popped into my head - that his practice went badly I don't really know what that means since Shoma is known for messy practices. If I look at the jumps and it looks 50/50 I know that's typical Shoma and I don't have to be that worried. Though Jackie has probably seen Shoma enough times to give an informed opinion (so he's maybe not the best example oops) Jackie doesn't see some of these other skaters in person often enough to tell me if they've had a good or bad practice by their standards, so I'd rather see what jumps they actually did. Did that make sense?

edit: I just saw your post about his injury. Poor Shoma When did that happen? Just today or before he arrived?

 

[ice coverage]

There's a major nor'easter in the MidAtlantic states today and tomorrow....

Yesterday I was SO disappointed in all the no-shows for practices. Then I realized that many of these skaters had the same difficulties I did. There were lots of us with big-time delays in the Frankfurt airport, and I heard other European cities had similar problems. Lots of snow and high winds. I had flown in from Chicago, and a bunch of people who were coming from Toronto were all trying to get on the Frankfurt/Milan flight. Bruce Marcotte was there in the waiting lounge, and I'm 99% sure Kaetlyn Osmond was there waiting too. My huge surprise when I got to Milan was that my luggage actually was on the flight. My 8:45 am was cancelled and I was on the 3:45 pm. I imagine some of the skaters weren't quite as fortunate with their luggage. Chris and Alexa Knieram weren't at practice. Maybe they had similar circumstances and bad luck with luggage.

Sorry that you too had hassles, Arriba.
Yes, most of the skaters I mentioned were traveling at least a day ago ... and the biggest problem seemed to be Frankfurt-Milan.

Julian was traveling even earlier -- maybe two days ago?

(BTW/FWIW, I did see Instagram stories with some practice snippets of the Knierims. (A different practice, it seems.) I forget which accounts had them.
And BTW, John Wilson Blades and Edea had bits of Kim/Kam at practice. Edea mentioning that as promised, it had given Alex new boots.)

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Three cheers for Jackie Wong .

 

[Arriba627]

Sorry that you too had hassles, Arriba.
Yes, most of the skaters I mentioned were traveling at least a day ago ... and the biggest problem seemed to be Frankfurt-Milan.

Julian was traveling even earlier -- maybe two days ago?

(BTW/FWIW, I did see Instagram stories with some practice snippets of the Knierims. (A different practice, it seems.) I forget which accounts had them.

I thought maybe some of them could possibly be too jet lagged too. The journey is long enough without sitting in the airport for 7 hours! I was so surprised when Hubbell & Donahue were not at practice yesterday, since that's not like them at all. Anyway, thx for clearing up that mystery for me!

 

[cruzceleste]

Shoma- Left Practice with Pain in Right Ankl

Per Jackie Wong, Asahi TV is reporting than Shoma felt pain in his ankle

Let @asahi_sports - Shoma Uno has pain at his right ankle, which was why he left practice early this evening.
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From practice sessions I saw, he had a few rough unders/downgraded jumps yesterday & today that could’ve done that. Hope he feels better soon. #WorldFigure #Milano2018

Time to start worrying about Japan men´s spots for next year?

 

[Logirl]

They are reporting the injury today. He had issues yesterday but could not jump today and left the rink in five minutes. They iced the foot I believe before leaving. Now they are reporting a foot injury. Hopefully we will know by tomorrow if he needs to withdraw. I hope the decision is made based on his health and not Japan world spots.

 

[Arriba627]

Shoma has boot problems, new boots after Olys, problems with breaking them in.
With practice tonight, he came, skated a very little, and left within a few minutes. :-(

HUGE disappointment! :sad4: Hoping he's ok.

 

[Logirl]

What worries me is what type of exam can they do now? I know that during Olympics they said that Sui foot was not fractured and she went ahead and skated the free. Now they report that it was worse than they thought and an actual fracture.