- Joined
- Jan 25, 2013
Agreed. That 4Z was absolutely stunning but it should have gotten wayyyy lower GOE for the very obvious lack of preceding steps. The judges should know better than this.
Congrats to him for an amazing SP though!
2017 GP Cup of China Mens SP
- Thread starter dorispulaski
- Start date
Agreed. That 4Z was absolutely stunning but it should have gotten wayyyy lower GOE for the very obvious lack of preceding steps. The judges should know better than this.
Congrats to him for an amazing SP though!
- Joined
- Aug 18, 2017
At this point i have no clue who will win at the olympics.
- Joined
- Feb 4, 2012
Kolyada! That score, that Lutz! Woah! Where was that at Rostelecom? He could've won the Home GP. Or not. I mean, I'm pretty nervous about the long program, I'm not sure he will be able to constantly skate clean programs like this and the long is another story.
Javier: Noooo...noo...why? I'm feeling really down, I wanted him to win this thing! Not all is over with that score, he can still do it, but I wonder what exactly was the problem? Why these stupid mistakes? That doesn't exactly bode well, and I really do hope he can make it to the final!
Boyang: I still love that Soundtrack and dislike that program. If you ask me, he should return to Spiderman. His Component score can be higher if he would engage more. I believe this is a step backwards for him. I really want to see him at the GPF, and he still has every chance to make it so, good luck.
Keiji was good and I think he's probably the one that should go to the Olympics. Compared to Mura this was so much more convincing, especially if he has an injury. Or why did he withdraw at CoR?
All in all it was an entertaining event. Looking forward to tomorrow.
Javier: Noooo...noo...why? I'm feeling really down, I wanted him to win this thing! Not all is over with that score, he can still do it, but I wonder what exactly was the problem? Why these stupid mistakes? That doesn't exactly bode well, and I really do hope he can make it to the final!
Boyang: I still love that Soundtrack and dislike that program. If you ask me, he should return to Spiderman. His Component score can be higher if he would engage more. I believe this is a step backwards for him. I really want to see him at the GPF, and he still has every chance to make it so, good luck.
Keiji was good and I think he's probably the one that should go to the Olympics. Compared to Mura this was so much more convincing, especially if he has an injury. Or why did he withdraw at CoR?
All in all it was an entertaining event. Looking forward to tomorrow.
There was an American judge who did the same at Worlds 2016 after Mirai Nagasu's fs right in your face at the KnC.
Conflicts of interest, but there you have it.
To be fair Vincent Zhou does the exact same thing with his solo 4F, so Kolyada wasn't the same who had this "advantage", i wonder if they count a turn as steps.
- Joined
- Jan 25, 2013
Interestingly - though not surprisingly - Kolyada's PCS at Rostelecom SP was actually higher with just one quad attempt - and a poor one at that.
Here with two quads including a lutz, his PCS was about right.
- Joined
- Jan 25, 2013
But Zhou fell on his quad flip so there is no way of knowing how the judges would have scored it. But yes, his also should get dinged for lack of steps... well, not lack of steps, so much as a bit of a break before his 4F... he still had some tricky turns leading up to it.
Seems like only 2 judges actually did their job when it came to Kolyada's lutz.
- Joined
- Feb 4, 2012
So if Kolyada had skated his CoC skate at CoR he would've...broken Yuzuru's world record score??? :eeking:
- Joined
- Jan 10, 2017
Not with that TES (WR is 64+ TES). But his GOE might have actually been higher too there so who knows!?
because Mikhail had no predeceding steps going into it. So some judges gave him 0 GOE, while other judges didn't care.
- Joined
- Jan 10, 2017
It's been mentioned in the thread. Some judges applied the lack of steps before the solo jump to his 4Lz. Others were more lenient. So his total GOE was a mix. Judges agreed more on the GOE for his 3A.
Oh yes totally forgot that he fell.
Am i wrong or lack of steps should be reduced by 3?
Though it's still confusing what is defined as steps, because i see many skaters doing a couple of turns on their solo 4s or 4f, and those to me are hardly considerable as steps.
Lack of steps on the 4ltz (the solo non-axel jump has to have steps going in).
He has a great technique on the axel.
- Joined
- Feb 4, 2012
I was just kidding, xeyra. Thing about Kolyada is, he will be a contender if he consistently delivers, but I am not very confident in him. He certainly has the goods, and I think Europe should be very happy that he's had a wonderful outing like this, because I think the future of men's skating looks seriously bleak at the moment. I almost hope Javier continues after the Olympics.
Oh boy... that 4Lutz from Kolyada was out of this world... I mean I've replayed it so many times.... No way anybody's else's 4Lz is worth as much as that Lutz....It should have been +3. I sometimes feel sad that Liza's lutz and Kolyada's lz do not get the GOE they deserve. they are on a league of their own.
- Joined
- Aug 17, 2017
For 4Lz of KOLYADA , J3 and J9 gave GOE+3 while J2 and J6 gave GOE 0.
I think that it is strange that the judge 's judgment is divided on the requirements requested by the SP.
I think that Technical Controller should decide whether or not he fulfilled the requested requirement and he should mark some sort of thing.
I think that it is better for the technical controller to judge whether or not the requested matter is satisfied like the edge judgment.
I think the performance of KOLYADA of today was wonderful.
But why do Russian people put completely different music between Mozart - Piano Concerto?
Tuktamysheva also did it last year.
I think that it is strange that the judge 's judgment is divided on the requirements requested by the SP.
I think that Technical Controller should decide whether or not he fulfilled the requested requirement and he should mark some sort of thing.
I think that it is better for the technical controller to judge whether or not the requested matter is satisfied like the edge judgment.
I think the performance of KOLYADA of today was wonderful.
But why do Russian people put completely different music between Mozart - Piano Concerto?
Tuktamysheva also did it last year.
The jump itself was +3 quality, but also deserved -3 for NO STEPS AT ALL.
Meaning?
Just reminds me of Ashley eaerly days when she would struggle withe SP and have to play catch-up in the FS (heck she did that at SC). So far Vincent hasn't really hit on the SP (and at Jr. Worlds he was OTP before coming back to win) but if he does his Finlandia FS here, he should move up).
Who was that? I can't imagine an American judge giving Mirai a hug. Instead of hugs, they should give her fair PCS.
- Joined
- Jan 10, 2017
If Kolyada gets over some of his issues and keeps on delivering more and more, maybe it isn't quite so bleak. Dmitri Aliev is also very promising, if he can deliver in the future. Which is good, because Europe will need them. We'll see how Mikhail does tomorrow in the FS and if he keeps his wits about him.
Similar threads
- Sticky
- Sticky
- Sticky
- Sticky
