His jumps are really spectaclur when on. He's not with one of the famous coaches in Russia, right? Who taught him his technique?
2017 GP Cup of China Mens SP
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His jumps are really spectaclur when on. He's not with one of the famous coaches in Russia, right? Who taught him his technique?
If people here want to have a discussion about what exactly should count as preceding steps and whether somebody in this comp totally avoided the supposedly mandatory GOE reduction while having same kind of "preceding steps" into their solo jump as Kolyada, great! I just really really wish the seemingly endless trickle of "oh the 4Lz was beautiful, so why not +3GOE from all the judges?!?! SHAME!!!" posts would stop...
Gets a bit frustrating when half of the "conversation" lately is people posting the same talking point over and over and over and OVER again when it's already been discussed to death during the last several pages. PLEASE READ at least some of the most recent posts BEFORE YOU POST in a thread.
PRETTY PLEASE.
Gets a bit frustrating when half of the "conversation" lately is people posting the same talking point over and over and over and OVER again when it's already been discussed to death during the last several pages. PLEASE READ at least some of the most recent posts BEFORE YOU POST in a thread.
PRETTY PLEASE.
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I think that required steps rule should be enforced more meticulously than it is now. Too much leeway left for skaters & judges, tech specialist should interfere, give the memo to every judge. There is a rule, but it's treated in a way that is too casual. And I say that as someone who think that tech panel has too much influence on the result in certain realms.
There's going to be a changing of the guard imo.
I actually don't care too much about it, but I think they should be consistent. Either all competition and all competitors are required to do those steps, or just drop that rule altogether. Right now, some are doing the steps and some don't and it's sheer luck whether this makes a difference or not ...
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Tolstoi said:
? Was there an American judge at the 2016 Worlds ladies' free skate?
Judge No.1 Mr. Igor FEDCHENKO
Judge No.2 Ms. Elisabeth LOUESDON
Judge No.3 Ms. Na Young AHN
Judge No.4 Ms. Nicole VAN GERWEN-MAAS
Judge No.5 Ms. Jana BAUDYSOVA
Judge No.6 Ms. Leena KURRI
Judge No.7 Ms. Jean SENFT
Judge No.8 Ms. Laimute KRAUZIENE
Judge No.9 Ms. Ayumi KOZUKA
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I think the difference between SP and FP is that SP requires the same assignment to all competitors and requires that it be satisfied.
If you are not satisfied, you will be punished heavily.
It is not fair unless its judgment is made clear.
I think that should not be left to the judge's discretion
If you are not satisfied, you will be punished heavily.
It is not fair unless its judgment is made clear.
I think that should not be left to the judge's discretion
Sure... GO Mikhail!
Sure doesn't look like it.
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I had only a moment to re-watch Mikhail and have to say that I'm so positively surprised that the whole performance was not only about this GLORIOUS 4Lz, despite titles of many videos of his SP.
Yes - the program itself is kind of weird and gives more question marks/raised brows than anwers full of enthusiasm, BUT for me one of Mikhail's biggest strenghts is his performance focus and ability to play with the music and movement; he already has that polish and control of his way of movement that I just admire, adding today's flawless elements (jumps in particular) it makes a stunner. Saying that, I kind of see where they were going from with this Mozart/Tango mesh, the costume and how overall choreography looks like - it seems like an attempt to merge, play on classical and more modern aesthetics, mixing oth clean lines with sharp movement. I hope that this very performance will give Mikhail and his team a hue boost of confidence and courage to make this program even more edgy, quirky and spiced up with Mikhail's personality.
Talking about this 4Lz - I said it at last Worlds, his Lz technique is something else for me: he jumps it with such ease and abandon almost. The spring immediately transforms into rotation and speed, it's truly a gasp-worthy moment when done successfully. I think that should stuck for good in Mikhail's head going forward, this capability that will motivate him to work on its consistecy and the consistency on whole program's execution. I loved also 3A with kind of no big set-up.
Looking at the whole performance, it could be more engaging, 'out-there', dramatic, but all of those qualities can grow with time I think - what mattered for me was the focus and attack radiating from Mikhail, even after ending pose. He needed this kind of strenght of ability to have clean, strong, impactful performance. Despite my non-enthusiastic view of the program itself, he still work it out with so much musicality and detil/finishing of movement (particularly in transitions).
And his reaction in K'n'C along with Valentina - such down-to-earth person, I felt like was genuinely overjoyed with such score, but still wanted to contain himself inside that competition focus. I think that all he needs is peace and health, also kind of understanding, support he seems to have from Valentina - it's so good to see him grow more and progressing with those goals.
Yes - the program itself is kind of weird and gives more question marks/raised brows than anwers full of enthusiasm, BUT for me one of Mikhail's biggest strenghts is his performance focus and ability to play with the music and movement; he already has that polish and control of his way of movement that I just admire, adding today's flawless elements (jumps in particular) it makes a stunner. Saying that, I kind of see where they were going from with this Mozart/Tango mesh, the costume and how overall choreography looks like - it seems like an attempt to merge, play on classical and more modern aesthetics, mixing oth clean lines with sharp movement. I hope that this very performance will give Mikhail and his team a hue boost of confidence and courage to make this program even more edgy, quirky and spiced up with Mikhail's personality.
Talking about this 4Lz - I said it at last Worlds, his Lz technique is something else for me: he jumps it with such ease and abandon almost. The spring immediately transforms into rotation and speed, it's truly a gasp-worthy moment when done successfully. I think that should stuck for good in Mikhail's head going forward, this capability that will motivate him to work on its consistecy and the consistency on whole program's execution. I loved also 3A with kind of no big set-up.
Looking at the whole performance, it could be more engaging, 'out-there', dramatic, but all of those qualities can grow with time I think - what mattered for me was the focus and attack radiating from Mikhail, even after ending pose. He needed this kind of strenght of ability to have clean, strong, impactful performance. Despite my non-enthusiastic view of the program itself, he still work it out with so much musicality and detil/finishing of movement (particularly in transitions).
And his reaction in K'n'C along with Valentina - such down-to-earth person, I felt like was genuinely overjoyed with such score, but still wanted to contain himself inside that competition focus. I think that all he needs is peace and health, also kind of understanding, support he seems to have from Valentina - it's so good to see him grow more and progressing with those goals.
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In retrospect, I should have used the word 'lackluster'. He did try to perform his elements, but I really felt his heart wasn't in it this time, and I didn't get the feeling he was trying to sell the program.
Agree with the bolded part on Boyang! I hope his other showings can convince me, but he didn't draw me in here.
As for Tanaka, you're right, he was battling a hip injury since late September and that's why he withdrew from CoR. I hope it's healed by now.
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Add my name to the list of fans of Kolyada's WOWs 4Lutz (With Or Without Steps).
It was awesome! So high.
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I can not agree only on that point.
He uses music that does not sound well either.
Piano Concerto is a masterpiece of Mozart.
Gulda, Barenboim, Pollini, Haskil, Uchida etc.
There are lots of great performance sound sources.
It seems to me that it is overrunning that wonderful masterpiece.
I think famous pianists of classical music will also give a similar opinion.
I think that his performance itself was wonderful.
If Kolyada does not make mistakes in FP, it may be slightly higher around FP 206.
BV 99.24
GOE 15
PCS 92
There will be a chance of gold medal.
Moreover, I think there is a possibility that it exceeds 300 points.
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Wow, Mikha! I don't remember his name in the discussions about Olympic podium prospects. But if he can skate the free program like this he is surely among the very elite.
I like Javi and alsways liked. His interpretation of Chaplin is just superb. I doubt that anyone else could do it like he does. But I see the trend of his jumping deterioration. When did he skate 2 back to back clean programs the last time with all the planned jump content? I remember that his Helsinki SP was quite good but then a meltdown. Let's see tomorrow. I hope that he is not past his long-term peak.
Judge 6 (Italy?) was not impressed by Mikhail. He gave him after the skate of his life lower pcs than to Han Yan (Asia) and just a bit higher than to Kevin Reynolds (North America) who had one big meltdown. So much for "European panel conspiracy in favor of the Russians".
I like Javi and alsways liked. His interpretation of Chaplin is just superb. I doubt that anyone else could do it like he does. But I see the trend of his jumping deterioration. When did he skate 2 back to back clean programs the last time with all the planned jump content? I remember that his Helsinki SP was quite good but then a meltdown. Let's see tomorrow. I hope that he is not past his long-term peak.
Judge 6 (Italy?) was not impressed by Mikhail. He gave him after the skate of his life lower pcs than to Han Yan (Asia) and just a bit higher than to Kevin Reynolds (North America) who had one big meltdown. So much for "European panel conspiracy in favor of the Russians".
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How pathetic. As if all European judges are the same - at ALL events. Excuse me, did Kolyada participate in the ladies? Did this panel have 8/9 majority European judges? The discrepancy I have stated again and again has ONLY happened to the ladies in last 5 consecutive years of WC FS. As much as you like to call it a conspiracy, it actually happened. In any case, I consider Italy, Germany and Britain outside the ISU/European 'convention' as independents as they are amongst the many that disagreed with the Sochi ladies results. If you put Belarus, Estonia, Slovenia judges etc, now that require a second look. In any case, now Kolyada is in contention based on one beautiful huge quads lutz and classic Russian men style, just watch what they will do with his PCS from now till the Europeans championship, lol (or even his next FS)... oh boy, we are due for some Niagara falls of inflation, and who knows, we may even somehow ends up with 'miraculously' 8/9 European judges at the Olympics for the men too just to ensure Javier and Kolyada get a podium finish.
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On a separate note, I think the no proceed step rule is kind of stupid to penalise such a wow factor element that is clearly risky and difficult to do well. How can a 4A = 4T in GOEs? Same reason I disagrees 3lz3t or 3loop3loop should = same GOE as a 3t3t when it is far easier to execute the latter with transitions. There should be better balanced considerations. If the sportsman have the biggest jump (length, height, size, speed, effortless soft landing with flow, power, trajectory etc), they should deserve an extra tick or even two to add to the GOE rewards vs a tano. Great and even fantastic jumps are not nearly rewarded well enough vs a mediocre jump with transitions. It makes figure skating less of a credible sport vs a circus acrobatic skill.
Yeah the solo jump must have connecting steps before it in the SP.
As for Javi, I think his spins and step sequence looked better than at last year's Worlds when he did skate clean.
It was the short program sorry.
https://youtu.be/Sl8z-QIBonY?t=258
https://s1.postimg.org/7nh2c4xhtb/wendy_enzmann.png
This lady is Wendy Enzmann, she wasn't a judge at that event (and ironically Mirai didn't receive huge scores there if you remember) but she was in the past, like few months before at 4CC (previously CoR and Mirai was also there and so many other competitions of the past 30 years...) when Mirai surprisingly got the silver medal with two strong performances and new PBs
http://www.isuresults.com/results/season1516/fc2016/SEG003OF.HTM
http://www.isuresults.com/results/season1516/fc2016/SEG004OF.HTM
and if you look at the protocols you'll see one judge who clearly liked her performances more than the rest of the panel
https://s1.postimg.org/809qg4mo7j/Mirai_Nagasu_sp.png
https://s1.postimg.org/6c0diy3gnz/mirai_nagasu_fs.png
At that time GOE and components were in random order so we don't know if she was really that judge.
She is also the team leader for USA in skating so that might explain the hug, but same goes for Alla Shekhovtseva (which is still a judge by the way) with Sotnikova. How can a person that involved with these skaters also be a fair neutral judge?
There are way too many conflicts of interest in Figure Skating.
- Patrick Chan competing at the Cup of China last year (he won the event) with his former coach Shin Amano in the panel.
http://www.isuresults.com/results/season1617/gpchn2016/SEG001OF.HTM
http://www.isuresults.com/results/season1617/gpchn2016/SEG002OF.HTM
- Here in Italy we have Franca Bianconi: coach, commentator and also ISU technical specialist (for example at the WTT last season).
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We are just scratching the surface.
To clarify: I'm not complaining, we are all living with it, but that's the reality of the entire system and in my opinion all of this shouldn't be legal.
In football a coach/player cannot be a referee and same goes for the opposite and you can find this rule on so many other sports, but not figure skating.
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