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2019-20 Canadian Figure Skating

chuckm

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At BC Summerskate, Kaiya went for 3f+3t, but fell on the flip (which got an edge deduction).

Here was her FS: 3z!, 3t+3t, 3lo+2t, 3f, 3s, 2a, 3lo+2t+2lo
 

chuckm

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Looking ahead to Riga, obviously one wishes the best for all attendees. Joseph and Natalie & Bruce will be pushing to bring home medals to the TCC, as our main hopefuls there (I guess since it's a men's event, Eric would also have as good a shot as about a half-dozen of the other guys going there), but I'm also really hoping that Kaiya's junior international debut goes well. Skate Canada is obviously very high on her potential, given that they gave her two assignments right out of the gate.

IMO, the men have better medal hopes than the ice dance team. The tech team for ice dance in Riga has Tech Specs from Finland and Belarus, which can only help the Georgian team (who are Russian) and the two Russian teams. And we haven't seen the judging panel yet.
 

Colonel Green

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IMO, the men have better medal hopes than the ice dance team. The tech team for ice dance in Riga has Tech Specs from Finland and Belarus, which can only help the Georgian team (who are Russian) and the two Russian teams. And we haven't seen the judging panel yet.
Natalie and Bruce are the overall most-established Canadian junior team on the dance scene. I don't weigh the tech specialist as the most important consideration.
 

chuckm

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Maybe D/W is the top junior ID team domestically, but that is not 100% true internationally. Last year D/W ranked 4th in the JGP behind Lajoie / Lagha, Fisher / Malette-Paquette and Bronsard / Bouaraguia. With L/L moving up to senior and F/M-P apparently splitting, B/B could just as well be considered the Canadian top team going into this season. What makes it even more significant was that B/B were a brand-new team last season, while D/W were in their 2nd JGP season, and B/B outscored D/W overall.

B/B did two full summer comps this season, while D/W did only the SP at GTSA. What was up with that?
 

SnowWhite

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Maybe D/W is the top junior ID team domestically, but that is not 100% true internationally. Last year D/W ranked 4th in the JGP behind Lajoie / Lagha, Fisher / Malette-Paquette and Bronsard / Bouaraguia. With L/L moving up to senior and F/M-P apparently splitting, B/B could just as well be considered the Canadian top team going into this season. What makes it even more significant was that B/B were a brand-new team last season, while D/W were in their 2nd JGP season, and B/B outscored D/W overall.

B/B did two full summer comps this season, while D/W did only the SP at GTSA. What was up with that?

Bronsard/Bouaraguia were not a brand new team. They had previously competed together in pre-novice, split to focus on singles for a season, and then reunited, skipping novice and moving up to juniors.

Anyways, both teams scored very close on the JGP last season, so we'll see how this year goes.
 

Colonel Green

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Maybe D/W is the top junior ID team domestically, but that is not 100% true internationally. Last year D/W ranked 4th in the JGP behind Lajoie / Lagha, Fisher / Malette-Paquette and Bronsard / Bouaraguia. With L/L moving up to senior and F/M-P apparently splitting, B/B could just as well be considered the Canadian top team going into this season. What makes it even more significant was that B/B were a brand-new team last season, while D/W were in their 2nd JGP season, and B/B outscored D/W overall.
Teams that aren't competing junior (or at all) now are irrelevant to the discussion. As far as the D/W vs B/B, their scores internationally are pretty similar, considering they went to different events (and scoring generally went higher as the season went on). And D/W were on the national podium, whereas B/B were not.
 

BillNeal

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IMO, the men have better medal hopes than the ice dance team. The tech team for ice dance in Riga has Tech Specs from Finland and Belarus, which can only help the Georgian team (who are Russian) and the two Russian teams. And we haven't seen the judging panel yet.

One of the two Russian teams partnered up a few months ago and the other hasn't competed internationally since 2017. Both teams are making their JGP debut. Natalie and Bruce have the edge in terms of length of time skating together and experience, JGP Riga being their fourth JGP.
 

chuckm

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Khudaiberdieva with her previous partner was a top two qualifier for the JGPF last season and won the bronze JGPF medal with 165.54. Their JW silver-winning SB was 171.22.

D/W's SB was 138.11. Their only score for this season so far was for the RD, and at a domestic event; they scored 61 and change. Khudaiberdieva with her previous partner's lowest RD score last season was 165.01 at their first 2018 JGP event; their highest 168.69 at JW.

All of the Russian ice dancers in the first two JGPs have scored over 60 on their RDs.

Khudaiberdieva and her new partner skate next at the Russian JGP next week, along Andreeva / Desyatov and Shanaeva / Narzyzynyy (who won gold in France). The Russian fed must have as much confidence in K/F's chances as Canadian fans have in D/W's.
 

Colonel Green

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Khudaiberdieva with her previous partner was a top two qualifier for the JGPF last season and won the bronze JGPF medal with 165.54. Their JW silver-winning SB was 171.22.
Er, yes, "with her previous partner". I don't think anybody denies that Khudaiberdieva is talented. That doesn't mean that her new partnership is just going to pick up where she left off; that's not how ice dance works.
 

Colonel Green

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lgaTWnPfHUk

Kaiya is twelfth after the short program, mainly because of a fluke fall on the second part of her 3T-3T, though she also had not-great landings on her other jumps; taking all that into account, her score is really good. The judges clearly like her (she was eighth in PCS); she performs to the rafters.
 

siberia82

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I've noticed that the archived livestream for the JGP Riga Men SP is at 59 frames per second (most of the videos on that channel are at 29 fps), so I've isolated Jo's performance for those of you who like the smoother graphics from a higher frame rate.

2019 Joseph Phan JGP Riga SP (1080p, 59 fps): https://www.dailymotion.com/video/x7kao3l

If the video is not displaying in the correct format, go to the upper right hand corner and select "1080p60".
 

Colonel Green

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That wasn't a perfect debut for Kaiya by any means, but it's only made me more excited for her career going forward. She's got mental tenacity (I frankly don't think any of our other juniors would have held it together after those opening problems) and is extremely charismatic. And looking at her component marks in Riga, the judges are fans.

Natalie and Bruce currently in third, a bit less than a point ahead of T/S, the #2 Russians. We'll see tomorrow if they can dodge the pewter curse.
 

chuckm

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The only caveat is that Kaiya is very small for her age--the puberty bug lurks in her future.
 

siberia82

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I admit that I don't follow junior ice dance, but I have seen Bruce compete in person at the 2017-2018 Skate Canada Challenge as a junior man, and I of course have watched him skate in various livestreams of domestic competitions of junior men events, so his and Natalie's 3rd place finish in the JGP Riga Rhythm Dance made me curious as to what he was like as an ice dancer.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LzGk5yOxpAk The technical side of this discipline eludes me even though it's my second favourite, so I can't really say anything on that topic, but purely in terms of what I feel, this is such a lovely and charming program! :luv17: Considering that I didn't know what to expect when I clicked the link, this duo has good chemistry, and they made me like them almost from the moment they began skating. :) I really hope they get on the podium. :hap10:
 

siberia82

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Skater Boy

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Has anyone had a chance to watch Aurora Cotop and her progress. I just saw her summer skate. Wow - yes she didn't complete the 3-3 combos or have all her triples but her style, look, gestures and even fs dress look remarkable like her predecessor Kaetlyn Osmond. I thought she had a fair amount of power and elegance. Her jumps, spin and skating skills aren't up to Kaetlyn - yet - but wow the similarities and the finish of her skating is nice.
 

Ziotic

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Has anyone had a chance to watch Aurora Cotop and her progress. I just saw her summer skate. Wow - yes she didn't complete the 3-3 combos or have all her triples but her style, look, gestures and even fs dress look remarkable like her predecessor Kaetlyn Osmond. I thought she had a fair amount of power and elegance. Her jumps, spin and skating skills aren't up to Kaetlyn - yet - but wow the similarities and the finish of her skating is nice.

Actually she did a clean short during the summer with 3F-3T and there are videos of her 3Lz too. So she has all her triples back, just a matter of performing them consistently. Her FP dress actually was Kaetlyn’s!
 
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