Russian source (sport-express.ru) mentioned gossips that ISU Tech decided to prolong banning quads in female Short Programs till further notice.
There will be no quads in SP next season.
I expect that before they will make a decision all the top ladies will jump 3A, and that would be a very good reason to keep the ban to "force" different contents bewteen SP and FS.
It's an extremely personal opinion I know, but I think the only reason stanting now is about equal opportunities because Aliona takes advantage out of it but all the best will have 3A by next season.
If not it would be because they choosed not to work on it to pursue other objectives.
Resolved that issue i would prefer to see an SP that is not a shorter version of the FS.
I find it extremely hard to be impressed by this. It just looks like a poorly done triple honestly.
Wow, tough critic! It doesn't have a ton of height, but it is neatly done, unlike other quad-triples, and looks rotated (or close to it).
YMMV, clearly, but I'm always impressed by youngsters, male or female, doing quads. I don't expect them to have the height of a Trusova, I just admire them going for the element, and executing it pretty decently.
Are we so desensitized to quad attempts now that it's no longer impressive? Certainly more impressed by these neatly done quad attempts than those that are underrotated or with falls.. or both.
Ok... A question. Why is Anna's quad lutz 3.25 rotations? I watched many times... Yuna's triple lutz is 2.75 rotations and Kolyada's quad lutz is 3.75 rotations. Where is the missing half rotation of Anna? No bashing. I thought she is doing this half rotation on the ice, but it is not even there...
Ok... A question. Why is Anna's quad lutz 3.25 rotations? I watched many times... Yuna's triple lutz is 2.75 rotations and Kolyada's quad lutz is 3.75 rotations. Where is the missing half rotation of Anna? No bashing. I thought she is doing this half rotation on the ice, but it is not even there...
I find it extremely hard to be impressed by this. It just looks like a poorly done triple honestly.
Wow, tough critic! It doesn't have a ton of height, but it is neatly done, unlike other quad-triples, and looks rotated (or close to it).
YMMV, clearly, but I'm always impressed by youngsters, male or female, doing quads. I don't expect them to have the height of a Trusova, I just admire them going for the element, and executing it pretty decently.
Are we so desensitized to quad attempts now that it's no longer impressive? Certainly more impressed by these neatly done quad attempts than those that are underrotated or with falls.. or both.
Quads count: 112
Congratulations to Elizaveta Berestovskaya for her first clean quad in a competition!
Kaori Sakamoto attempted 4T at a local competition in Japan! She fell and it was downgraded, but still, it's great to see her try new things!
https://twitter.com/nwcgold2020/status/1223636643929673729
Just see actual quadsters - Trusova, Scherbakova. They don't have UR issues on their triples - moreover, they often rotate their triples fully being still in air. Is there can be more obvious hint? Do no try to jump quads until you perfected triples and made them unbelievably easy and high.
It was my fault, sorry. I forgot to mention rotation speed. One can make low jumps - but if he has high rotation speed - the jumps are easy nevertheless. Height have even less importance in quads consistency than rotation speed. What important is how easy triples are landed and how much they rotated. Yes, Anna URs them occasionally at the end of program due to stamina issues - well, she is not as sturdy as Sasha after all. Still, in the end, triples for her are much easier than for majority of other skaters - and that's what matters most.But Anna? Honestly, it always surprises me she manages to do quads at all because her triples are pretty much the opposite of high. She relies on rotation speed mostly. I‘d say that‘s fairly obvious. And I wouldn‘t exactly call her backloaded 3Lz+3Lo or +Eu+3S in the FS “easy looking“ either. She often barely makes the rotations. Compared to the very same Kaori with her 3F+3T for example. (When she lands it) Anna is way more consistent than Kaori, that‘s for sure. But consistency doesn‘t make your jumps high and easy. Now, what‘s more beneficial is another issue. (I‘d say consistency because it quite literally gets you everything - from GOE to even PCS) Really, from all quadsters, who is there who has these “unbelievably easy and high triple jumps“?
She has issues with her lutz/flip jumps which are more related to her jumping technique than to degree of rotation. Well, anyway, I didn't even considered her as stable quadster though.Tursynbaeva? Hardly.
Contrary to some beliefs Alysa has very easy and solid triples. Moreover, her jumps are low enough but she is so fast that she can rotate them without running up.Anna? Alysa Liu? Honestly, no.
No. Be realistic, will you? As I said before - height is not most important factor. Tsurskaya and Sotskova had tremendously high triples - which were almost always URed as well. With the body build Kaori has - I can't see her making rotation fast enough. For quads she should make her body more thin and light - which isn't possible for her IMO. I suspect the same reason for lack of quads has Brown and Vasilievs in men, for example. There are skaters who can't jump quads whether they want it or not - it's just physiological reality. Everyone can't be the same.As for Kaori‘s quad attempt. She can jump high, she has power, I could see her land a quad some day.
Do you have anything against new seniors? I believe that new seniors are going to keep their quads later too - if they have them now. And after couple of seasons they will turn into "old" seniors as well - so many naysayers will lost their ground in antiquads debates eventually. For now quads distribution is unbalanced both in age and nationality. For age it's just transitional period and it will be fixed with time more sooner than you think. For nationality.. I can't see perspectives in near future, I am afraid. It will be Russia, USA and maybe Japan - that's it.If quads are only done by 15 year old juniors and new seniors, I‘d encourage the ISU to look into it because that’s obviously not what elite sport on the senior level should look like.
Uh, I happen to disagree with this. Sasha, yes, she‘s one of the few skaters I‘ve seen who rarely URs (if she does it‘s mostly the 3Lo in her 3Lz+3Lo combo) But Anna? Honestly, it always surprises me she manages to do quads at all because her triples are pretty much the opposite of high. She relies on rotation speed mostly. I‘d say that‘s fairly obvious. And I wouldn‘t exactly call her backloaded 3Lz+3Lo or +Eu+3S in the FS “easy looking“ either. She often barely makes the rotations. Compared to the very same Kaori with her 3F+3T for example. (When she lands it) Anna is way more consistent than Kaori, that‘s for sure. But consistency doesn‘t make your jumps high and easy. Now, what‘s more beneficial is another issue. (I‘d say consistency because it quite literally gets you everything - from GOE to even PCS) Really, from all quadsters, who is there who has these “unbelievably easy and high triple jumps“?
Tursynbaeva? Hardly. Anna? Alysa Liu? Honestly, no. Really, there‘s only Sasha who comes to mind who doesn‘t rely on pure rotation speed and pre-rotation and actually has some very decent height too on her triples. But the main thing Anna, Alysa and even Sasha have going for them is consistency.
As for Kaori‘s quad attempt. She can jump high, she has power, I could see her land a quad some day. But really, all this attempt did was make me feel bad. It‘s so obviously not ready and imo, it‘s a sad sign where our sport’s headed when skaters feel they need to include a half-finished element to have any chance at winning. You want to know why skaters include elements that aren‘t ready? Because they‘re competitive and want to win and currently they must feel like they‘ll never have a chance against the ever changing crop of Russian wunderkids (case in point the novices throwing quads and 3A left and right there)
I don‘t know if that‘s good. I will wait and see whether Anna and Sasha will be able to keep up for a few years and not be replaced completely and then judge. If quads are only done by 15 year old juniors and new seniors, I‘d encourage the ISU to look into it because that’s obviously not what elite sport on the senior level should look like. But if we have Anna and Sasha who stick around for some time, inspiring other athletes not just from Russia to teach sustainable for quads, then I‘d be willing to call it “progress“. Before that, no, because we don‘t know yet where it will lead. So far it‘s a technical evolution. But for me that‘s not always progress for the sport itself. That, imo, remains to be seen. Two years is not nearly enough.
Having a very limited maximum base value for SP like 3A/3F//3Lz3Lo (what Trusova in her potential has now) or slightly better with 3A/3Lo//3Lz(D)3F makes possible to closely compare the jumping quality and overall.
Further pressing combo is impossible now: you cannot do 3Lz3Lz or 3A+3X
It was my fault, sorry. I forgot to mention rotation speed. One can make low jumps - but if he has high rotation speed - the jumps are easy nevertheless. Height have even less importance in quads consistency than rotation speed. What important is how easy triples are landed and how much they rotated. Yes, Anna URs them occasionally at the end of program due to stamina issues - well, she is not as sturdy as Sasha after all. Still, in the end, triples for her are much easier than for majority of other skaters - and that's what matters most.
She has issues with her lutz/flip jumps which are more related to her jumping technique than to degree of rotation. Well, anyway, I didn't even considered her as stable quadster though.
Contrary to some beliefs Alysa has very easy and solid triples. Moreover, her jumps are low enough but she is so fast that she can rotate them without running up.
No. Be realistic, will you? As I said before - height is not most important factor. Tsurskaya and Sotskova had tremendously high triples - which were almost always URed as well. With the body build Kaori has - I can't see her making rotation fast enough. For quads she should make her body more thin and light - which isn't possible for her IMO. I suspect the same reason for lack of quads has Brown and Vasilievs in men, for example. There are skaters who can't jump quads whether they want it or not - it's just physiological reality. Everyone can't be the same.
Do you have anything against new seniors? I believe that new seniors are going to keep their quads later too - if they have them now. And after couple of seasons they will turn into "old" seniors as well - so many naysayers will lost their ground in antiquads debates eventually. For now quads distribution is unbalanced both in age and nationality. For age it's just transitional period and it will be fixed with time more sooner than you think. For nationality.. I can't see perspectives in near future, I am afraid. It will be Russia, USA and maybe Japan - that's it.
Perhaps when she was younger. But certainly not this season. I think there have been measurements done by fans of Anna's 4Lz, and it was actually higher than Sasha's. But of course I don't know how accurate these are. AFAIK, Anna's triples have never been measured professionally in competition. But I do recall at GPF this year, Anna's 2A was measured with the setup that they had there, and the official stats were displayed in the replay on the stream. That's the only jump they measured for her and the numbers were similar to Valieva's, who is known to have a very good 2A.
Anna has developed a bit of a reputation for tiny jumps in her novice years, and they were indeed tiny, but they certainly are not anymore. She gets a lot of height and distance, particularly in her quads but also some of her triples, and they definitely do not mostly rely on fast rotation. Her single triples are not prone to under rotations, her -3Lo and -3S combos are. But that's also why we don't see her doing those combos on the quads, obviously. The 3Lz and 3F has rarely been UR, if ever.
As for Tursynbaeva, the only time she landed her 4S was at worlds last year. One jump per lady was officially measured there as well, and unless I am mistaken, that 4S was the highest measured jump of the ladies' competition. So certainly not small, otherwise everyone else including the other podium finishers Alina and Evgenia would have teeny tiny jumps by that definition.