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That's why they call it "attempted" instead of landed.
Same concept as attempted homicide - intentional act, but not successful.
Same concept as attempted homicide - intentional act, but not successful.
It was far from being the worst one I've seen.Ah I see. Thanks! Although is it much of an attempt if it's downgraded?
Actually I believe "landed" is also not a right word as for example Mako Yamashita successfully landed downgraded quad Salchow not so far ago.That's why they call it "attempted" instead of landed.
Same concept as attempted homicide - intentional act, but not successful.
What if there is a step out or two-foot landing, i.e., no clean one-foot landing? With or without additional errors in the upper body control/maintenance of verticality, just not quite enough to occasion a fall deduction?Any such attempt which doesn't lead to fall deduction I consider landed.
Even if it was landed on a belly but somehow didn't lead to fall deduction . Otherwise I will be forced to estimate landings and I don't want to take such responsibility as I don't find myself competent enough.What if there is a step out or two-foot landing, i.e., no clean one-foot landing? With or without additional errors in the upper body control/maintenance of verticality, just not quite enough to occasion a fall deduction?
Who attempted a quad loop in competition? Presumably Trusova, but when?Quad attempts count: 174.
Skater - Attempts - Clean - Landed - Rotated
Quad Queen - 64 - 36 - 43 - 46
Shcherbakova - 29 - 13 - 19 - 21
Akatieva - 21 - 10 - 17 - 17
Berestovskaya - 13 - 1 - 8 - 3
Valieva - 11 - 7 - 9 - 11
Zhilina V. - 10 - 4 - 4 - 7
Liu - 7 - 2 - 5 - 2
Khromykh - 5 - 0 - 1 - 2
Tursynbaeva - 3 - 1 - 1 - 3
Samodelkina - 3 - 1 - 1 - 1
Yamashita - 2 - 0 - 2 - 0
Sakamoto - 2 - 0 - 0 - 0
Kihira - 1 - 0 - 0 - 1
Tarakanova - 1 - 0 - 0 - 0
Tuktamysheva - 1 - 0 - 0 - 0
Zinina - 1 - 0 - 0 - 0
Type of quad - Attempts - Clean
Toe-loop - 91 - 43
Lutz - 50 - 23
Salchow(a cursed quad ) - 25 - 6
Flip - 7 - 3
Loop - 1 - 0
Season - Attempts
17/18 - 10
18/19 - 36
19/20 - 89
20/21 - 39
If anybody finds a mistake of any kind here I will be glad to fix it.
Samodelkina did an attempt yesterdayWho attempted a quad loop in competition? Presumably Trusova, but when?
As for me I consider a jump to be quad attempt if there is a 4 before jump type in a score sheet. Any such attempt which doesn't lead to fall deduction I consider landed. An attempt without < or << call I call rotated. And an attempt without fall, <, << and e calls and with average GOE mark across all judges not less than zero I call clean.
Yeah, pops aren't counted as it can not be easy to differentiate a popped to triple quad and a planned triple or what kind of jump was popped to a double - a triple or a quad. However ladies do not tend to pop their quads. I think there're about 5 pops from Trusova and also Khromykh has very bad attempt which was counted as triple and nothing more in my memory.Do these numbers account for pops and whatnot? I've noticed in skateDB and other places, a singled/doubled jump isn't listed as a quad attempt, so it skews better for skaters who have popped their quads here and there.
Second question: yes, although the downgrade comes with a loss of GOE, so it's better to do a clean 3T than land a 4T<< (even if landed ok otherwise), unless Zayaking reasons.Can you tell from protocols whether a 2T or 3T was a botched 4T attempt? I mean, unless you are familiar with the skater and programs, how would you know without actually watching the skate?
Also, is 4T<< the same as 3T, in terms of base value?
Second question: yes, although the downgrade comes with a loss of GOE, so it's better to do a clean 3T than land a 4T<< (even if landed ok otherwise), unless Zayaking reasons.
I’m pretty sure it does? You can do it, but if your 4T gets called downgraded, then your second 3T would be invalidated, I’m pretty sure.But having a 4T<< doesn't forbid you from doing two 3T in the same program.
If it gets called as 4T<< it will not invalidate a second 3T.I’m pretty sure it does? You can do it, but if your 4T gets called downgraded, then your second 3T would be invalidated, I’m pretty sure.
Thanks! I'll add it.Winter Star 2020 non-ISU, Minsk
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