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I am not sure what is fair but I think you allow triple axels and quads or neither.
Is 3A a triple or a quad?
I don't want quads in SP (even for men) because I like the idea of different content in SP and FS, but if you don't support this idea I think after next olympic quads should absolutely be allowed in SP.
Not allowing quads in order to keep the standings more compact (and if you think this 3A should go too) is unfairly manipulating the sport.
Yes, but not until after the 2022 Olympics. Changing the rules two years before the Olympics would give an advantage to the new quadsters. Triple axels for ladies have been around for a long time. Ladies quads are new. Skaters have known for at least 10 years that they could gain points by doing a 3A in the short program.
laugh if you like, but sprint is all about speed and only about speed. Skating is not all about quads. I’m not opposed to handing out a separate medal for best jump, like vault in gymnastics.Let's reduce the maximal speed in sprint, because that's making the races less competitive
I don't think that's a good reason, as (on the other side) is stating that including 3A is unbalancing.
We are in transition by the time rules could change we will have more quad girls (just look at juniors), and a girl jumping quad can (and should) jump a trixel.
Think of Sasha and Anna as an example, by next year there is no reason they can't jump a 3A unless they prefer to train something else (e.g. one more quad for the FS).
Balance is not a factor as every rule applies to everybody and we have those rules since
What is not fair is changing the rules after seeing the results to "rebalance".
I don't want quads in SP (even for men) because I like the idea of different content in SP and FS, but if you don't support this idea I think after next olympic quads should absolutely be allowed in SP.
Not allowing quads in order to keep the standings more compact (and if you think this 3A should go too) is unfairly manipulating the sport.
hmm...are you suggesting that the ladies SP specifically asks only for triples? Where is this stated or coming from? Also is there a different mission statement for men’s skating? It’s kinda weird though since so many ladies only do a 2axel. I’m thoroughly confused by this declaration.The way I see it is simple. The ladies' short program asks for triples. The 3A is a triple, not a quad..
hmm...are you suggesting that the ladies SP specifically asks only for triples? Where is this stated or coming from? Also is there a different mission statement for men’s skating? It’s kinda weird though since so many ladies only do a 2axel. I’m thoroughly confused by this declaration.
hmm...are you suggesting that the ladies SP specifically asks only for triples? Where is this stated or coming from? Also is there a different mission statement for men’s skating? It’s kinda weird though since so many ladies only do a 2axel. I’m thoroughly confused by this declaration.
The position of allow or not quads in SP heavily depends on the potential gain "your" skaters have over this matter.
The rules are
A double or triple Axel.
One solo triple jump (it used to be "out of steps" -- this was dropped because nobody ever did any steps )
A combination consisting of either two triple jumps or one triple jump and one double jump.
Sometimes a skater will have a shaky landing on the first jump of the combo and only pull off a triple single. 0 points for the whole combo.
Edit: If the proposal goes through about replacing the SP with a Technical Program of three-and-a-half-minutes, then it should be something like this:
1 quadruple or triple jump of the skater's choosing.
1 double or triple Axel.
1 4-3, 4-2, 3-3 or 3-2 combo.
1 Three-jump combo.
1 triple Lutz or triple Flip.
1 triple loop.
Higher! Faster !Stronger!
I think it would be interesting to require that all types of jumps must be included in the “technical” program as this is the best way for a skater to show their technical mastery over all jumping elements.
You can simply lower the relative value of jumps compared to other elements, therefore it won't matter much whether you do quads or not.Of course athletes know the rules, and can choose what to focus their time on. On the other hand, that fact doesn’t make those rules fair.
I see no reason why the rules can’t change.
3A belongs more to the quad world, imo.
3A is the highest order axel jump that was ever landed. 4salchow is the highest order Salchow jump ever landed. These jumps belong together, simply because they are in the same group of „highest possible“ (as of now at least).
And why have limitations only when it comes to jumps?
Some skaters can’t get level 4 spins or step sequences, maybe we should also have limitations when it comes to spins, etc. to make other athletes more competitive with the ones, who can get those things consistently?
Maybe PCS should also be capped, so that other athletes would have a chance to compete with better PCS athletes in the short?
Those are rhetorical questions, btw. Just showing, that if we extrapolate the same type of logic on other elements, it makes no sense.
The fair playing field is the one, where all are able to showcase their maximum potential, not the one where it’s held back artificially to favor some of them.
Axel is already favored enough, simply because it’s mandatory in both sp and fs. No need to favor one type of jump over others even more than it already is.
I agree, that if men are allowed to have quads in sp, women should be allowed to do the same.
You can simply lower the relative value of jumps compared to other elements, therefore it won't matter much whether you do quads or not.
You can simply lower the relative value of jumps compared to other elements, therefore it won't matter much whether you do quads or not.