2016 Skate Canada Free Dance

[Krunchii]

All the food there was awful. No wonder some people were in bad moods...

I agree, on the last day I only had some coffee and refrained from eating at all, overpriced and mediocre

 

[VIETgrlTerifa]

Sounds like both Canada and the U.S. have really mediocre and overpriced arena food. How is the arena food elsewhere?

 

[Astrid56]

there is no way chock and bates deserved to win this event the only reason they were this close was because of Rettstat their PCS were lower than C&L and basically tied with Gilles and Poirier.

The Technical Panel identifies the elements and assigns the corresponding points/values (which is based on element's level of difficulty) but the Judging Panel consisting of 9 Judges is empowered to make numerical adjustments referred to as GOE (grades of execution) so really you can't blame low TES scores to just Resttstat - the Technical Controller because the Judges can change the numbers a +3 or -3.

 

[Matt K]

Unless one of the booers jumps in to clarify their position, we can never be sure. C/B looked extremely happy with their scores and it would have been out of place for their fans to start booing during that moment.

I did not hear any 'loud' fans for either of the American dance teams, so seems odd they would suddenly materialize at that exact moment.

Whatever the reason, the booing was uncalled for.

Most likely, the booing came from C/B fans who were suddenly so upset at seeing C/B win the FD but lose based on the final result. Very unclassy to V/M.

Why would V/M fans boo V/M winning over C/B?

I know most users here are American, and you want to paint C/B and American fans as innocent, but in this situation, it seems way more likely the booing came from them. Very unclassy to V/M.

 

[Matt K]

Given that you probably only hear the booing in your close proximity, I heard all cheers except for two Americans behind me (I am presuming nationality on the basis of their American flag and baseball caps). They booed after the scores came up and stated emphatically that the score was too low. Once the final standings appeared, they offered the opinion that C&B had been held back so "Canada's darlings" could win. I stuffed the remainder of my hot dog in my mouth to ensure my silence.

Thank you. Now we know that the booing in part came from C/B fans from USA.

I mean, I know most users here are American, but, pot calling the kettle black?

 

[robredo40]

Tessa had a twizzle mistake I agree, but there is nothing that justified a level 4 diagonal step for chock and bates they were slow and covered little ice, now V&M were clearly a little off but Evan bates my god what a weak skater its like he doesn't exist next to his partner.

 

[Chantilly]

Isn't speed a composite of GOE's though?
I sometimes have a really hard time understanding the COP.
Seems to me speed should factor in terms of levels.
But it is also a GOE component.
I think that's why the system needs an overhaul.

 

[CoyoteChris]

Sounds like both Canada and the U.S. have really mediocre and overpriced arena food. How is the arena food elsewhere?

I have been arena hopping since 2007, making every US Nats, quite a few SAs, three worlds, two 4 cs, etc and sometimes you do find arenas that serve good sandwhitches, cobb salads, pita pockets, etc but not normally.
Mostly its overpriced garbage. St Paul was nice as there was relatively easy in and outs and there were beaucoup eateries within three short blocks. It helped that most nights attendance was low so you could get out, eat, and
get back. I dont mind paying money at the arena if they would just give you a place to stand up at or heavens be praised sit down at a small table, and I was buying food that wouldnt gag a maggot. Worlds London Ontario was wonderful with the covent gardens next store...lots of great food at fair prices with real tables and a tv so you could watch the first group of men while you ate. True story...somehow someone switched the audio on the temperary TV to what was being played at the outside SkateCanada skatefest tent and you couldnt tell the difference...it seemed like the skaters were doing just about as good a job at interpreting THAT music. Cross my heart and hope to die.

 

[WeakAnkles]

I was buying food that wouldnt gag a maggot.

You know what they, genius steals, mediocrity borrows. And that's a line worth stealing!

:hap57:

 

[rvi5]

I have a stereo hooked up to my desk top cause I like listening to the music...I can clearly hear boos starting at 7 min 51 seconds on this youtube and continueing intermittantly till 7 min 58 seconds.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o8l6RYZ1mJs

"this video is not available" error.

 

[rain]

The whole conversation about the booing/not booing is a good example of why it's a bad idea to boo during competitions. Because you may be booing the judges/the result, but nobody can be sure who your ire is directed at, and it ends up coming down on the skaters, who are not at fault in the least.

I always think that even skaters that don't skate well deserve at least a bit of applause for their effort. Skaters who do well get my standing O.

 

[VIETgrlTerifa]

Most likely, the booing came from C/B fans who were suddenly so upset at seeing C/B win the FD but lose based on the final result. Very unclassy to V/M.

Why would V/M fans boo V/M winning over C/B?

I know most users here are American, and you want to paint C/B and American fans as innocent, but in this situation, it seems way more likely the booing came from them. Very unclassy to V/M.

Upon re-watch it seemed the reaction occurred after the announcer announced that C/B were in second. So you may be right.

 

[el henry]

Just an FYI to those wondering why the woman who opened/closed the 'gate' at the boards (referred to as 'security person') was getting so many hugs from happy skaters. It wasn't an expression of joy-to-random-strangers thing.

She is the mother of Canadian ice dancer ASHER HILL.

Asher, and his mother, are beloved and well known to North American ice dancers, especially of this generation.

Very interesting!

I would put all of the skaters we are talking about on a frozen river to nowhere if I could just see Nicole Orford and Asher Hill skating again.....:sad21::sad21::sad21:

 

[CoyoteChris]

"this video is not available" error.

Odd, the link works for me. I just went to the SC vids thread and clicked on the first FD vid....

 

[Chantilly]

I have had trouble viewing videos on my iPhone that I don't only computer.

 

[rvi5]

I have had trouble viewing videos on my iPhone that I don't only computer.

That may be the problem. I am on an iPad. The videos for C/B, C/L, and P/I don't work. However, videos for G/P and H/B does.

 

[TontoK]

Tessa had a twizzle mistake I agree, but there is nothing that justified a level 4 diagonal step for chock and bates they were slow and covered little ice, now V&M were clearly a little off but Evan bates my god what a weak skater its like he doesn't exist next to his partner.

This is going to be a fun season in ice dance. So many different opinions.

I actually like C/B Free Dance quite a lot. More than any program from them in a long time. It's different, not only from the programs they've skated before, but also different from anything else being done by anyone else.

I was actually blah on V/M, and that surprises me greatly since I am a fan.

 

[lauravvv]

Tessa had a twizzle mistake I agree, but there is nothing that justified a level 4 diagonal step for chock and bates they were slow and covered little ice

Isn't speed a composite of GOE's though?
I sometimes have a really hard time understanding the COP.
Seems to me speed should factor in terms of levels.
But it is also a GOE component.
I think that's why the system needs an overhaul.

As it is, speed and ice coverage don't factor in the levels. Step sequence levels are basically about how precisely the steps required for this or that level are done, or, to be more precise, if those steps are done with edges that are pronounced enough for the technical specialist who is judging the particular competition to recognize them (another thing that can take away StSq levels are if dancers part/loose each other's hands during a hold/for longer than the allowed time). Things like speed, ice coverage, flow, extensions, good edges throughout the step sequence (not just during the steps required to get a certain level) etc. are all part of GOE. Acdtually, I have to look the GOE requirements up again to see if there is something about extensions now, or if it's just some people's wishful thinking.

 

[Alba]

Tessa had a twizzle mistake I agree, but there is nothing that justified a level 4 diagonal step for chock and bates they were slow and covered little ice, now V&M were clearly a little off but Evan bates my god what a weak skater its like he doesn't exist next to his partner.

Bates is a strong skater actually, technically speaking. In terms of presentation he is not Moir or Cizeron but he is a good frame for Madison.

 

[Mattieu]

Bates is a strong skater actually, technically speaking. In terms of presentation he is not Moir or Cizeron but he is a good frame for Madison.

Yes, he is a good strong skater, but I just wish he hadn't taken such a short skater, as he'd have looked fabulous with a taller girl, as he did with Samuelson