2017-2018 State of Russian Ice Dance

[bramweld]

The team event allowing for ice dancers to win medals damages greatly the urgency of reform and everything posted about decline is wrong. If the dancers are winning Olympic medals whatsbthr problem?

If anything the team competition highlighted for me how weak B/S actually are. They're trying their utmost to pin their loss of the gold on Kolyada, but the point is he is a debutante. Realistically, the dancers and pairs should have stepped up to cover the gap but they couldn't whether due to injury or plain lack of talent. I thought Z/E were particularly underwhelming, but as they say the propaganda machine just keeps on turning and turning..yada, yada, yada.

 

[gmyers]

If anything the team competition highlighted for me how weak B/S actually are. They're trying their utmost to pin their loss of the gold on Kolyada, but the point is he is a debutante. Realistically, the dancers and pairs should have stepped up to cover the gap but they couldn't whether due to injury or plain lack of talent. I thought Z/E were particularly underwhelming, but as they say the propaganda machine just keeps on turning and turning..yada, yada, yada.

While it’s definitely arguable that losing To shibutani marked a huge decline for b/s since they beat them by a lot in Sochi and lost to dw and vm in team event they did get 16 points. I’m just trying to reason as to why no one in Russia thinks their ice dance program has declined so it has to because of Olympic team event winning them gold and silver so far.

 

[Kitt]

If anything the team competition highlighted for me how weak B/S actually are. They're trying their utmost to pin their loss of the gold on Kolyada, but the point is he is a debutante. Realistically, the dancers and pairs should have stepped up to cover the gap but they couldn't whether due to injury or plain lack of talent. I thought Z/E were particularly underwhelming, but as they say the propaganda machine just keeps on turning and turning..yada, yada, yada.

I agree Z/E underwhelming and boring. I saw them live at Skate Canada and thought so and I didn't see much improvement from them in the team event last night. S/K were sorely missed!

 

[gmyers]

On NBC bobrova got a mention from Charlie white! Unfortunately it was how to do a Choctaw terribly.

 

[bramweld]

On NBC bobrova got a mention from Charlie white! Unfortunately it was how to do a Choctaw terribly.

Bobrova's scores this entire season have been a joke. If you look at Bobrova she is always struggling this season with both the rumba pattern and the step sequence in hold, yet they always get these ridiculous scores. LOL. Hopefully in the SD the judges will set the record straight.

 

[Anyasnake]

Bobrova's scores this entire season have been a joke. If you look at Bobrova she is always struggling this season with both the rumba pattern and the step sequence in hold, yet they always get these ridiculous scores. LOL. Hopefully in the SD the judges will set the record straight.

They had quite the No-touch Step sequence though, especially in the Team Event. Level4 and deservedly so. When I rewatched it hey did not let one step or turn being unclear. I was impressed.
But their Rumba looked a bit better in 2012, and the Pst is a bit shaky sometimes, yes.

 

[RecklessDisregard]

I wonder if the distance is strategic? To my eye at least, the height difference is most noticeable when they are very close to each other. Farther away, not so much. She's wearing tan boots, which could mean nothing (probably means nothing), but Marie-France said in an interview that she wore tan boots to increase the line of her leg and make herself seem taller. A little visual trick. As for Alina growing... She will, but at 17, Maxim isn't finished growing either.

 

[gmyers]

Bobrova's scores this entire season have been a joke. If you look at Bobrova she is always struggling this season with both the rumba pattern and the step sequence in hold, yet they always get these ridiculous scores. LOL. Hopefully in the SD the judges will set the record straight.

Just like worlds last year!! She was 8th! Let’s see if b/s get top 10 after Whites comments.

 

[gmyers]

6th and 13th! Sad end for Russian ice dance.

 

[bramweld]

6th and 13th! Sad end for Russian ice dance.

Predictable, not sad. They need to stop behaving like privileged prima-donnas and get down to some real COP work. They should study Eteri to see how results really are earned. Further, if their specialists don't have the capacity to separate their personal biases from the office, and continue to determine who they think the best is rather than allowing them to prove it objectively on the ice, it will always be this way for them.

 

[coldblueeyes]

Further, if their specialists don't have the capacity to separate their personal biases from the office, and continue to determine who they think the best is rather than allowing them to prove it objectively on the ice, it will always be this way for them.

The thing is, objectively, there's no one else in Russia right now that would have done better. We'll have to wait for the next crop of juniors to turn seniors, or the other teams to reaaaaaally step up. S/B might take B/S's place at the top, but that won't mean they'd do any better internationally.

 

[Mattieu]

6th and 13th! Sad end for Russian ice dance.

6th is not good for Russian no. 1, but 13th for last minute replacement Russian no. 3 team with very little experience is not so bad.

 

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B/S lost 4 points in TES because 3 out of 4 their elements were downgraded from level 4 to level 3. Why? I have no idea. All C/L elements got level 4. Again, what was different about C/L elements which B/S missed? I can't tell. But for me TES in dance is one big mistery. May be experts can explain.

 

[coldblueeyes]

B/S lost 4 points in TES because 3 out of 4 their elements were downgraded from level 4 to level 3. Why? I have no idea. All C/L elements got level 4. Again, what was different about C/L elements which B/S missed? I can't tell. But for me TES in dance is one big mistery. May be experts can explain.

The elements were under review from the start - but it's a problem that has plagued them this season, losing TES on the reviews. Sometimes is a bit misterious indeed, other times is fair. It was what made them lose GPF this season, for example. Might be the reason for them to lose bronze here, who knows. I wonder why so many elements were under review, maybe the panel is not as sharp as they should be.

 

[bramweld]

The elements were under review from the start - but it's a problem that has plagued them this season, losing TES on the reviews. Sometimes is a bit misterious indeed, other times is fair. It was what made them lose GPF this season, for example. Might be the reason for them to lose bronze here, who knows. I wonder why so many elements were under review, maybe the panel is not as sharp as they should be.

Bobrova's posture alone is a dead giveaway that something might not be too right below the knees. They just attract the attention of the judges for the wrong reasons.

 

[Spirals for Miles]

The elements were under review from the start - but it's a problem that has plagued them this season, losing TES on the reviews. Sometimes is a bit misterious indeed, other times is fair. It was what made them lose GPF this season, for example. Might be the reason for them to lose bronze here, who knows. I wonder why so many elements were under review, maybe the panel is not as sharp as they should be.

same reason that the Shibs were mysteriously given level 2 on the rhumba, they don't want anyone but the preordained favorites getting near the top!!

 

[coldblueeyes]

Bobrova's posture alone is a dead giveaway that something might not be too right below the knees. They just attract the attention of the judges for the wrong reasons.

I won't dispute their scores, above all I'm tired of analyzing them this late in the season. But if the judges really thought they only attract attention for the wrong reasons I doubt they'd be so high in PCS and GOE - whatever the reason people want to give themselves for them being scored like that. I'm sure people concoct all the scenarios just to right the wrongs they think exist in the ID world, and I don't care for that in the least.

 

[gmyers]

Predictable, not sad. They need to stop behaving like privileged prima-donnas and get down to some real COP work. They should study Eteri to see how results really are earned. Further, if their specialists don't have the capacity to separate their personal biases from the office, and continue to determine who they think the best is rather than allowing them to prove it objectively on the ice, it will always be this way for them.

Of course you are right that it’s predictable- the hatred of ijs ice dance has finally caught up with Russia! But still it’s the end of the Russian ice dance program. So that’s a little sad! It was so dominant and successful and Great lots of times too. But the hatred of ijs finally means no medals and it’s unfortunate they couldn’t get over the elimination of 6.0 and create a new Eteri like school of dance. Maybe now!!

6th is not good for Russian no. 1, but 13th for last minute replacement Russian no. 3 team with very little experience is not so bad.

This is a good point! And they are going to be Russian champions right? They have the advantage.

 

[chuckm]

I won't dispute their scores, above all I'm tired of analyzing them this late in the season. But if the judges really thought they only attract attention for the wrong reasons I doubt they'd be so high in PCS and GOE - whatever the reason people want to give themselves for them being scored like that. I'm sure people concoct all the scenarios just to right the wrongs they think exist in the ID world, and I don't care for that in the least.

They get GOE and PCS from the judges. The SD judging panel had 6 European judges who may have been happy to support a European team when so many near the top of the standings are NA teams.

We won't know the judges for the FD until near the start of the competition.

 

[gmyers]

The thing is, objectively, there's no one else in Russia right now that would have done better. We'll have to wait for the next crop of juniors to turn seniors, or the other teams to reaaaaaally step up. S/B might take B/S's place at the top, but that won't mean they'd do any better internationally.

And it’s too bad that while s/b qualified for Pyeongchang they weren’t able to go! I wonder if they will be at worlds with b/s! Or will Russia’s world team be z/g and p/m. Very possible Russia world team is z/g and p/m.