2017 GP Rostelecom Cup Ladies SP

[Tulipstar]

Maybe she's no Karolina but being the second-best interpretor in the world is still an extremely strong one.

I have no idea what you watching figure skating for x amount of time has to do with anything. People who have watched figure skating for even longer than that and have actual expertise in the sport have said the opposite, anyway. It's not like I'm the one trying to prove an unpopular position or anything. I guuuess you could see her group's dance videos and concentrate on the different skaters one at a time. Medvedeva does stand out in every dance video I've seen and even is quite impressive. Example:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YQiXTnfXNTk

So much talent in one video:agree:
That thing they do with the arms is really cool.

 

[pearly]

The Russian commentators weren't sure about this UR at first moment, Tarasova and Trankov saw it in slow motion, and the third one didn't saw it even at that time. So I must agree - Ms Laaksonen is strict to remember

It's clear as day.

The pannel has to rule in favor of the skater if uncertain and is not allowed to go looking for mistakes unless they were noticed/questionable during the skate.

 

[GGFan]

[url]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YQiXTnfXNTk[/url]

Now why did I actually go and watch this video??? :rofl2: i have to take the very unusual step of outing myself as a black man just to say: I could go to any city in the United States and find hundreds of kids (and i mean 5 year olds) that would kill her on those dance moves and leave her crying!! Saying she's better than the people in that class is not saying a lot. This is not helping me change my mind at all.

 

[moriel]

It's clear as day.

The pannel has to rule in favor of the skater if uncertain and is not allowed to go looking for mistakes unless they were noticed/questionable during the skate.

And honestly, even if it was a little UR, they could have ruled it in her benefit: she bombed everything else anyway, so her scores would be low with or without UR, and she is at least trying a difficult jump, which imho should be rewarded.

 

[TerpsichoreFS]

Evgenia's team never manages to create a program as a whole. Each second of her program consists of individual and separate elements to gain the maximum amount of points. The beginning and the ending part to push the perfomance grade, the turns and leg raises to gain transition points, the frantic jump exits to gain GOE and so on...

Yes... there are ways to create integrated programs that rake a lot of points and yet, they don't seem too interested in doing that. I will say that her commitment elevates her programs. Good programs become very good when skated by her because of this. But she's going to be a legend, and I wish we got to see some greatness. I was almost offended by the roboticness of the step sequence. It took me out of the moment. I will be less surprised next time.

 

[Shayuki]

And honestly, even if it was a little UR, they could have ruled it in her benefit: she bombed everything else anyway, so her scores would be low with or without UR, and she is at least trying a difficult jump, which imho should be rewarded.

Yeah, super strict technical panel that seems to go out of its way to look for any mistakes they can reduce points for. She'll be there for the FS as well.

 

[pearly]

And honestly, even if it was a little UR, they could have ruled it in her benefit: she bombed everything else anyway, so her scores would be low with or without UR, and she is at least trying a difficult jump, which imho should be rewarded.

What? That's not how fair judging works. We complain when skaters don't get obvious UR or edge calls and now we also complain when they do?

 

[Sam-Skwantch]

Now why did I actually go and watch this video??? :rofl2: i have to take the very unusual step of outing myself as a black man just to say: I could go to any city in the United States and find hundreds of kids (and i mean 5 year olds) that would kill her on those dance moves and leave her crying!! Saying she's better than the people in that class is not saying a lot. This is not helping me change my mind at all.

But can the Hatala sisters get as close to a 3z as Zhenia can to their choreography.

https://instagram.com/p/BXBflXmAiJo/

And could Caro keep with this choreography or would it be too busy and not held out enough. I wonder if Caro would even dab

 

[russianfan]

The one and only

I think she called Ksenia a goddess today

sometimes i think you have a collection of gifs with Yulia for any possible case, to post it immediately

 

[icetug]

and she is at least trying a difficult jump, which imho should be rewarded.

And it is rewarded in technical scoring: ISU base for 2A is 3.3 and for 3A is 8.5 pts. And Mirai got 5.04.

 

[GGFan]

But can the Hatala sisters get as close to a 3z as Zhenia can to their choreography.

https://instagram.com/p/BXBflXmAiJo/

And could Caro keep with this choreography or would it be too busy and not held out enough. I wonder if Caro would even dab

This might reveal how far below them I think she is: hell yes, I'm sure they could do a 1/2 lutz.

 

[Mathman]

I was referring to knowing the history of the sport and being able to tell the difference between sophisticated interpretation worthy of a 10 and good interpretation worthy of an 8. When I think about superior interpreters that I would give high 9s and 10s to I'm talking Lambiel, Buttle, Takahashi, Mao, Kostner, etc.

Here's the thing, though. This is a competitive sport. You can't beat somebody with nobody. Evgenia is the best out there. Naturally she gets the highest scores.

Is she as good as Lambiel? What a strange question.

 

[Sam-Skwantch]

sometimes i think you have a collection of gifs with Yulia for any possible case, to post it immediately

I'm kind of "a fan" :dance2:

 

[Sam-Skwantch]

This might reveal how far below them I think she is: hell yes, I'm sure they could do a 1/2 lutz.

 

[GGFan]

Here's the thing, though. This is a competitive sport. You can't beat somebody with nobody. Evgenia is the best out there. Naturally she gets the highest scores.

Is she as good as Lambiel? What a strange question.

I think you're jumping in without context. The conversation was never about whether she should be winning or not. Just about her particularly high score in some PCS categories. As far as I know the current system is based on standards and not graded on a curve.

 

[Sam-Skwantch]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YQiXTnfXNTk

ZOMFG!!! Is that Tarakanova in the pink shoes??

 

[Baron Vladimir]

I loved that!!!!!!

Let's not pretend that my comments are without context. I'm not just some artsy person holding figure skaters to elitist standards. The sport has a long history. We know what good edges are, what good extension is, commitment to movement, etc. That is what I am judging Medvedeva by. And by those standards she has a lot she could work on. There's nothing wrong with saying that. This is not a fan fest. I am analyzing what I see before my eyes.

Well, i'm just saying that what you see before your eyes is not a focal point judges have before their eyes.. I have no problem with what you are aiming to see, but this is out of context when you are debating about scores, because that is not what scores supposed to reflect in first place. Good edges and commitment are just judged by more different things skater can do with his/her blades... I mean, how would you objectivly judged it otherwise?

 

[tjb]

ZOMFG!!! Is that Tarakanova in the pink shoes??

yes it's her. and she tried to roll over alena at the end

 

[jenaj]

TAT said that technical panel was very strict today and it really was. Look at the moment: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qDeIyVePo9I&feature=youtu.be&t=262 and then you will see that when she landed she turned a tip of her blade of some 20-30 degrees to achieve the proper position.

Triple axels will never become part of the ladies' repertoire if the judges nit pick the jumps. Close calls should go to the skater. Also, looking at the height she gets, it seems a shame that for just a slight UR (maybe), she loses so many points. Maybe URs should just have a 10% penalty; they already have a GOE penalty.

 

[russianfan]

ZOMFG!!! Is that Tarakanova in the pink shoes??

she is on fire, right? love her