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Particularly on Ge - who they placed 3rd in the FS, while everyone else placed 5th or lower. I loves me some Misha, and he skated great, but I call shade.
2017_18 ISU Judging Anomalies
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Particularly on Ge - who they placed 3rd in the FS, while everyone else placed 5th or lower. I loves me some Misha, and he skated great, but I call shade.
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Should we move all the talks about spin to another thread? 
Should we move all the talks about spin to another thread?
Done.
https://www.goldenskate.com/forum/s...o-spins-you-right-round&p=1954846#post1954846
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I've noticed that, according to this thread that Chinese judge, Weiguang CHEN, is in the list of judges for the Olympics.
His interesting scores from 4CC:
Jin received 105.30 (SP) and 211.70 (FS)
Uno received 96.71 (SP) and 185.74 (FS)
After the Olympic men's team event I thought we might see a number of wide gaps in the component scores.
Here are the differences of 1.25 (and one 1.5) that I found in the men's SP protocols. Many 1.0 that I didn't list.
Bychenko SP, Judge 8: TR 5.75, PE 7.0
Chan SP, Judge 1: SS and TR 9.25, PE 8.0
Chan SP, Judge 7: IN 9.5, PE 8.0
Yan SP, Judge 7: SS 8.5, PE 7.25
Fentz SP, Judge 9: TR 5.5, CO 6.75
Besseghier SP, Judge 10: SS 6.75, TR 5.5
I only found two for the pairs' SP. It is notable (anomalous?) that Yu/Zhang's highest component from this judge was Transitions.
Yu/Zhang SP, Judge 1: TR 9.0, PE and IN 7.75
Suzaki/Kihara SP, Judge 1: SS and PE 6.5, TR 5.25
Here are the differences of 1.25 (and one 1.5) that I found in the men's SP protocols. Many 1.0 that I didn't list.
Bychenko SP, Judge 8: TR 5.75, PE 7.0
Chan SP, Judge 1: SS and TR 9.25, PE 8.0
Chan SP, Judge 7: IN 9.5, PE 8.0
Yan SP, Judge 7: SS 8.5, PE 7.25
Fentz SP, Judge 9: TR 5.5, CO 6.75
Besseghier SP, Judge 10: SS 6.75, TR 5.5
I only found two for the pairs' SP. It is notable (anomalous?) that Yu/Zhang's highest component from this judge was Transitions.
Yu/Zhang SP, Judge 1: TR 9.0, PE and IN 7.75
Suzaki/Kihara SP, Judge 1: SS and PE 6.5, TR 5.25
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I can sort of see judge #1's scores, although I think that the Transitions mark was more on reputation that performance.
I don't get judge #7 at all. As for Patrick's interpretation, he may have meant well but by not delivering on the tech the interpretation sort of went out the window, too.
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http://www.isuresults.com/results/season1718/owg2018/OWG2018_TeamLadies_SP_F_Scores.pdf
Judge 5 giving -3 on MIYAHARA's loop and CHOI's flip.
Judge 5 giving -3 on MIYAHARA's loop and CHOI's flip.
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I guess it was by accident or the judge thought the steps before the solo jumps weren‘t sufficient. Overall, the judge scored Satoko relatively high and doesn‘t seem biased against her.
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*Not sure if this is the appropriate thread but please feel free to have it removed.
It is quite interesting how the GOEs and PCS have been used to elevate skaters but also to undermark other skaters.
That said, my question is that given how there's like a 20 to 30 pts difference in Med/Alina's highest scores compared to other skaters maximum score, how are other skaters going to challenge Med/Alina if these other skaters will never get the PCS or GOE recognition that Alina/Med are getting?
These two girls will be here for another 4 or 5 years or so and if they are like Carolina will be here for another 10. So will they be dominating the whole competition for the next 5 years or so if they can just land their jumps, tanos, backload, put some stuffs before and after their jumps?
Alina's rise in PC is quite unbelievable. I was kind of shock to see the protocol score in one of her competition in 2016. Her PCS were around 6s and 7s. It's much different now. Med I have always found overscored as well. A couple of other skaters also always get high PCS and GOE but not as much as Med/Alina.
Just wondering what other teams from other Federation like Japan, Korea, US, etc can do if their PCS or GOES will never be recognized. Even other Russian skaters are not getting that much GOE/PCS boost as well. Some skaters have tried backloading and even doing tanos but the PCS and GOEs didn't really improved that much.
It is quite interesting how the GOEs and PCS have been used to elevate skaters but also to undermark other skaters.
That said, my question is that given how there's like a 20 to 30 pts difference in Med/Alina's highest scores compared to other skaters maximum score, how are other skaters going to challenge Med/Alina if these other skaters will never get the PCS or GOE recognition that Alina/Med are getting?
These two girls will be here for another 4 or 5 years or so and if they are like Carolina will be here for another 10. So will they be dominating the whole competition for the next 5 years or so if they can just land their jumps, tanos, backload, put some stuffs before and after their jumps?
Alina's rise in PC is quite unbelievable. I was kind of shock to see the protocol score in one of her competition in 2016. Her PCS were around 6s and 7s. It's much different now. Med I have always found overscored as well. A couple of other skaters also always get high PCS and GOE but not as much as Med/Alina.
Just wondering what other teams from other Federation like Japan, Korea, US, etc can do if their PCS or GOES will never be recognized. Even other Russian skaters are not getting that much GOE/PCS boost as well. Some skaters have tried backloading and even doing tanos but the PCS and GOEs didn't really improved that much.
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just because usually Mirai got UR call but now didnt so she still should get it? She skate clean lol just check the replay/slow-mo. The only thing that is questionable is her 3Lz, beside of that all is clearly clean and its not like this is her first time she skate without any UR call. Last season 4CC? Japan Open? About Osmond combo Jackie Wong has explained why its counted and other user too has mentioned it. As long there is no weight transfer the freeleg can touch iirc there is the quote on the ISU rules
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The US judge who gave Nathan Chen higher PCS than Patrick Chan in EVERY component at the men team event is my new love. 
In which world Patrick Chan deserve that treament? Oh well this world. At least he still got his team gold so maybe it turns out to be OKAY-ish in the end.
In which world Patrick Chan deserve that treament? Oh well this world. At least he still got his team gold so maybe it turns out to be OKAY-ish in the end.
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The US judge who gave Nathan Chen higher PCS than Patrick Chan in EVERY component at the men team event is my new love.
In which world Patrick Chan deserve that treament? Oh well this world. At least he still got his team gold so maybe it turns out to be OKAY-ish in the end.
Two judges did that right? The US (PARKER Lorrie) and Hungarian (VIKARNE-HOMOLYA Zsuzsanna) judges did if I’m not mistaken. Judge 2 and 3 respectively.
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I guess I have to kill my heart... so much love I can't handle sharing. :luv17:
Mirai's combo was definitely not clean. Same goes for other jumps. Just because the tech panel sudden turned a blind eye doesn't mean she didn't underrotate. And lol, I did not just assume she underrotated, I watched the jumps...
A foot down between a combo has never ever been validated in the history of skating. This is the first time it has been judged this way. Before, if a skater put a foot down, they wouldn't get the points for that combo, no matter the weight transfer. That explanation has no backing in how it was judged for the past 20 years.
The most any tech panel has validated, was, when a skater put the foot down between combos - stayed down for longer than a second, then jumped. But that's not what Kaetlyn did.
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I think they did review Mirai's 3-3? It was yellow or so in the score board.
About the combo, yeap Hanyu did the same as Osmond, put down his feet and got his whole combo at Helsinki SP slashed. But Osmond did not get that. However they're different tech panels so I guess they just have different opinions. Or maybe it's just Osmond was judged generously.
yellow means that the judges thought the jump was not perfect, so they gave neutral GOE. It doesn't say anything about it getting reviewed or not...
Another example would be Fernandez. I forgot which competition, but between the combo he tried really really hard to not put the foot down, because he knew, once he did, it's over.
This has happened multiple times with other skaters, too and there never was case when it was ratified the way Kaetlyn did it.
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I can’t find the rules exactly right now although I searched for a little bit but I’ve always been under the impression that yellow boxes mean the element will be reviewed and red meant the jump will have a deduction like for a fall or UR or maybe even not enough rotations on a Spin. That type of stuff. Yellow means it will be reviewed...green means it was good....red means it has an error and will receive a deduction of some sort.
Maybe I’m wrong or maybe they’ve changed it. Hmm???
Found this on an NBC Q/A page
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In real time, I thought 2- 3 of Mirai's landings were questionable. The slowmotion revealed a UR on the 3Z+2T which the German Eurosport team also called out. Just this one UR alone would have cause Mirai to loose the LP to Gabby Daleman for sure and probably to Carolina Konstner, as well, if properly called.
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Mirai combo is clean, its not around BUT it's still within 1/4 so its counted clean, sometimes people forget that there is the 1/4 rotation that still counted as clean. The 3Lz isthe only one that could be called UR. The other is still within 1/4.
yeah 3Lz is the only one that close to or actually UR... If it get called though she may lose to Carolina but US will still ahead of Italy anyway. So it wont change US Bronze. Its also possible she still ahead of Carolina tho, 3Lz UR she lost 2 point in BV, also 1 point in GOE so 3 point total, the difference with Carolina is 3.5
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