Disagree, if they didn’t want her to win I think they would have put her with Trusova ensuring she would needed higher points for the tie breaker. Rather they gave her the opportunity to win and knock someone else down to face off in the tie breaker.
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Disagree, if they didn’t want her to win I think they would have put her with Trusova ensuring she would needed higher points for the tie breaker. Rather they gave her the opportunity to win and knock someone else down to face off in the tie breaker.
Lol...no. Casual viewers and lots of knowledgeable fans eat up skaters like Sasha. Old fans with a more “discerning” taste are usually the only ones who complain. Have you seen the success and viewship of events like X-Games? Not saying we need X-games style events but I wouldn’t say figure skating is doing so great with casual fans in the same way X-Games and Dew Tour are. Bigger, faster, higher, riskier. That’s what the kids like these days!
Besides lots of skaters be oof’n up their triples too.
When Trusova starts her long program, my heart almost can't take it. Even if, in a few years, she is no longer competitive (for whatever reason), for me she has restored excitement for the sport. But I've always preferred the sport/jump aspect. Now so many women are working on quads, 3A's, and they are doing so with a sense of urgency. IMO, she has resurrected ladies figure skating.
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Exactly. If anything the distribution of JGP assignments made it clear that they wanted at Tarakanova to make the final .... and not just make the final but qualify with a gold.
There were three potential skaters (Trusova, Kanysheva, Tarusina) they could have paired her up with and in the end they picked the one skater (Tarusina) who had a lower score on the JGP than Nastya. They gave her a very good shot at getting a gold medal (recent comps have shown it's pretty much impossible for Anna T. to beat Nastya so long as Nastya skates cleanish and only makes one error across two programs) and by extension the opportunity to qualify in 4th place behind the Eteri girls and ahead of Yelim Kim.
Of course it's possible that I'm overthinking matters and the Russian Fed didn't actually put much thought into who they wanted to qualify into the final. They could simply have viewed her as their fourth best junior on the circuit and as such moved her to JGP Ljubljana to cover the gap left by Trusova to try and ensure Russia maintained their gold medal streak. If so Nastya certainly succeeded and she does have the highest overall score on the JGP of the non-Eteri Russian girls despite not doing a 3-3 combo in either of her two short programs.
Buianova: https://rsport.ria.ru/interview/20181114/1145927402.html
"The first condition I set for Kovtun after his return was to lose weight. And I gave him very few time. It was interesting to see if he can. It turned out that he lost 13 kilograms".
"If you take the top ten girlsat Russian Nationals, they all do almost the same thing, only one is first, and one is tenth. This shows the skills of the coach"
Lena Radionova has health problems since childhood, always skated through pain, and now she cannot endure it anymore.
Lena and weight issues:
"But there comes a time when the athlete shows ordinary human weakness. You talk to him, he understands everything, but he cannot do anything. Lena is in the same situation, she understands many things, but cannot cope with herself."
When asking about most her students failing this season, and if it affects her reputation:
"In my opinion, no, there is no reputation damage. As a coach, I never think about my reputation. I think only about the result of the athlete. If I, the coach who prepared an Olympic champion, fac some kind of setbacks and start thinking about my reputation... It’s not even interesting for me."
Tsurskaya:
"She skates with pains in the leg and back at the background"
Buianova on judging this season:
"Yes, and I believe that today skaters are not being punished for what they should. There is, for example, a quadruple lutz, and when I see that they are calling it under rotated, I become indignant. Because, as a specialist, I see that the athlete makes the smallest possible mistake, he overall performs this most difficult jump with quality. This is some kind of judging maniac. The judges pay attention not to what develops figure skating, but to the little things. A man skillfully performs the step sequence, and it is not properly evaluated. For me, this is a big nonsense. But this year, alas, will be like this. At the same time, some judges will turn out to be pedants and will give a mark in accordance with the what is written on paper. But I think the professionals are the judges who analyze. You can not punish figure skaters who are not afraid to take risks. And if such people are accused of tiny mistakes, this is absurd."
Masha messed up so far because she was busy preparing for the university. Also:
"I think that a professional athlete should dedicate to training completely. In addition, after the test skates, she did not pay attention to her legs and the boots hurt her a lot."
Tsurskaya doesn't know how to emote:
"You look at all her junior programs, she was never a jolly one. The emphasis has always been placed on her athleticism, and I believe that this is correct, this is advantageous. Have powerful jumps and still be fun on the ice is not given to everyone. She doesn't know yet to express emotions. Jumps are set, but she absolutely does not understand emotions. Tatiana Anatolievna (Tarasova), together with Irina Anvarovna (Tagaeva), are trying to develop this in Tsurskaya. Tarasova, in the short program, tried to choreograph a waltz for her, so that she looked a little more femenine, because you have to start small, so that the person would develop. In the free, it is impossible to break her right from the beginning. You know, sometimes a skater comes in and can’t assimilate a new jump entry. He skated for ten years the same thing, most likely, he will continue. Because he does not know how to develop."
Tsurskaya also has confidence issues
My comments
UR's are tiny mistakes, they shouldnt be called. Judges who score according to the textbook are bad.
All skaters are sick, have issues and are not dedicated enough. Except for Kovtun, who lost 13!! kg in some very short time span.
I also imagine how people would rion if Eteri said anything like this.
"The first condition I set for Kovtun after his return was to lose weight. And I gave him very few time. It was interesting to see if he can. It turned out that he lost 13 kilograms".
"If you take the top ten girlsat Russian Nationals, they all do almost the same thing, only one is first, and one is tenth. This shows the skills of the coach"
Lena Radionova has health problems since childhood, always skated through pain, and now she cannot endure it anymore.
Lena and weight issues:
"But there comes a time when the athlete shows ordinary human weakness. You talk to him, he understands everything, but he cannot do anything. Lena is in the same situation, she understands many things, but cannot cope with herself."
When asking about most her students failing this season, and if it affects her reputation:
"In my opinion, no, there is no reputation damage. As a coach, I never think about my reputation. I think only about the result of the athlete. If I, the coach who prepared an Olympic champion, fac some kind of setbacks and start thinking about my reputation... It’s not even interesting for me."
Tsurskaya:
"She skates with pains in the leg and back at the background"
Buianova on judging this season:
"Yes, and I believe that today skaters are not being punished for what they should. There is, for example, a quadruple lutz, and when I see that they are calling it under rotated, I become indignant. Because, as a specialist, I see that the athlete makes the smallest possible mistake, he overall performs this most difficult jump with quality. This is some kind of judging maniac. The judges pay attention not to what develops figure skating, but to the little things. A man skillfully performs the step sequence, and it is not properly evaluated. For me, this is a big nonsense. But this year, alas, will be like this. At the same time, some judges will turn out to be pedants and will give a mark in accordance with the what is written on paper. But I think the professionals are the judges who analyze. You can not punish figure skaters who are not afraid to take risks. And if such people are accused of tiny mistakes, this is absurd."
Masha messed up so far because she was busy preparing for the university. Also:
"I think that a professional athlete should dedicate to training completely. In addition, after the test skates, she did not pay attention to her legs and the boots hurt her a lot."
Tsurskaya doesn't know how to emote:
"You look at all her junior programs, she was never a jolly one. The emphasis has always been placed on her athleticism, and I believe that this is correct, this is advantageous. Have powerful jumps and still be fun on the ice is not given to everyone. She doesn't know yet to express emotions. Jumps are set, but she absolutely does not understand emotions. Tatiana Anatolievna (Tarasova), together with Irina Anvarovna (Tagaeva), are trying to develop this in Tsurskaya. Tarasova, in the short program, tried to choreograph a waltz for her, so that she looked a little more femenine, because you have to start small, so that the person would develop. In the free, it is impossible to break her right from the beginning. You know, sometimes a skater comes in and can’t assimilate a new jump entry. He skated for ten years the same thing, most likely, he will continue. Because he does not know how to develop."
Tsurskaya also has confidence issues
My comments
UR's are tiny mistakes, they shouldnt be called. Judges who score according to the textbook are bad.
All skaters are sick, have issues and are not dedicated enough. Except for Kovtun, who lost 13!! kg in some very short time span.
I also imagine how people would rion if Eteri said anything like this.
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Oh, please. Buyanova isn't exactly popular here, that should be obvious. I completely disagree with her regarding URs, it's absolutely unfair to skaters who have good technique. I hate it when certain skaters get away with URs and everyone else gets hammered with carrots. As for the health issues...Polina's were already well known before she went to CSKA. And what else can she say about Maria or Elena? Of course, being a full time uni student is going to be hard to combine with skating, it's pretty logical. Eteri wouldn't say it because none of her skaters have tried it, they don't last that long (and I'm sure Eteri wouldn't want a skater who isn't 100% committed to skating anyway, which is fine, she wants committed athletes and not hobbyists).
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Small point but Kanysheva is actually higher - she has 191+
Sorry if I wasn't clear. I was actually referring to the overall score used on the JGP ranking system (JGP1+JGP2).
Tarakanova (190.05 + 190.69) outscores Kanysheva (191.84 + 187.55) by over a point.
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as much as i would love for all 3 of them to destroy everyone next year, i don't think it's realistic to expect that. senior competition has a different feel from juniors, and a different kind of pressure, a different caliber of competition. many times a skater's first season as a senior is spent getting used to and adjusting to this (with the exception of a few, like alina or zhenya). if they do obliterate everyone then more power to them, that would be amazing, but i just wouldn't be shocked if they do not.
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And none of those juniors are immune from growing up and experiencing health issues just like 95% of all the others who came before them. You can have all the talent and work ethic in the world and still have bad luck with injuries or other issues. Everyone thought Gubanova and Tsurskaya were going to be huge stars a few years ago. And Sima...the list is endless.
technically Zhenya was in uni last year =)
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exactly my point...none of us can predict what will happen for these girls next year. there are so many factors that could come into play, so many things that could change.
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What is with the Russian coaches promoting starvation?
And whats up with Elena's health problems... never heard that before....
And whats up with Elena's health problems... never heard that before....
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Hey, come on now. Not everyone is blinded by stupid hate for Eteri. Some people actually look at what they see and hear and judge from there. If I dislike Eteri’s interview - yes, I will say it. And very clearly so. Just as I do now with Buyanova’s: I don‘t agree with most things she said, especially about criticizing that URs are called. Of course they are! And they should be! The only thing that isn‘t right now is how some skaters exclusively get a pass.
I don‘t get why EVERYTHING has to be related to Eteri, though. I have no shame admitting that I‘m very sceptical of her because lots of the things she‘s said and done in the past just weren‘t correct at all. But that doesn‘t mean I can‘t appreciate when she‘s doing something I find to be good. I really liked her during the interview about Alina with Tatjana Flade. She was honest, yet seemed caring. And I of course have immense sympathy for everything she‘s going through right now and that she still has the strength to do her job professionally and with concentration. I don‘t hate her. I often disagree with her, yes. She often does and has done things I didn‘t approve of and yes, I got a bit angry about it.
I know some people just hate on her all the time for whatever she does. But there are still some of us who look closely and use logic and calmness.
Buyanova‘s interview was... terrible. So, your student is magnificent because he lost 13 kg in a short time span you set him? That‘s completely unhealthy! I know athletes and especially figure skaters can‘t surpass a certain weight limit but losing THIRTEEN kg so quickly?
I already talked about this UR business... it‘s - excuse me - pure nonsense what she‘s saying. Yes, Sasha does her quads and yes, they are difficult but if she underrotates them she should be punished like everybody else! No exclusiveness just because her elements are more difficult than others. And I‘m sure the Sasha we know would agree. She wants to be perfect and if her jump isn‘t, she‘ll work. Period. No excuses!
I hope Buyanova is careful and watches out for her students‘ health. Some issues she can‘t fix, they just aren‘t her - or anybody‘s - fault (like Polina‘s sickness or Lena‘s problems) but she has to be aware that pressuring (young) people to lose so much weight in such a short time meddles not only with one‘s physical but also mental health. She has to be very, very careful and I seriously hope someone calls her out on it!
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Who will call her out, though? TAT probably approves of that given her recent comments about Radionova...
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Correct me if I’m wrong, but isn’t Stasya related to someone high level at the ISU? To me that makes her an exception and does not necessarily reflect what they will do this year.
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Never heard of that, but I did hear her father held some important position in Russia.
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Liza on Twitter: "I've created my YouTube channel! First video will be there soon! Make sure you follow me! I'm planning this month to show you one funny video, interview with superpopular skater, VLOG about Rostelecom Cup and also materials from my trainings. ��"
Here's the link to her channel: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCSVKQMZ4gyTQdwZ2OeIKv5w
Asya April will have some company on YouTube
Here's the link to her channel: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCSVKQMZ4gyTQdwZ2OeIKv5w
Asya April will have some company on YouTube
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Liza on Twitter: "I've created my YouTube channel! First video will be there soon! Make sure you follow me! I'm planning this month to show you one funny video, interview with superpopular skater, VLOG about Rostelecom Cup and also materials from my trainings. ��"
Here's the link to her channel: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCSVKQMZ4gyTQdwZ2OeIKv5w
Asya April will have some company on YouTube
It says no content on my end.
