2018-19 Russian Ladies' figure skating

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You are certainly welcome.

Not sure about the timetable. I was told the schedule is yet a bit rough at this point since they still have to process all the participation requests from all the coaches and their skaters from Moscow clubs. So be aware, this schedule is not set in stone: https://www.sportvokrug.ru/r/competition/4649/Расписание.docx

But online live broadcasting will be there and will be saved on this YouTube. Probably not a HQ, just 1 camera following a skater on ice. No KnC probably too.

Ah that‘s good then if the livestream will be saved there. If there‘s no KnC, how will we find out the scores?

Ahh, thank you I'm stupid <3

RusFed (or whoever is responsible) does a good job with all these competitions for juniors + novices. The best: Most are broadcast *_*

Mishin camps should also have a gala today, so I'm hoping to see a video of Liza jumping something. I'm happy with anything at this point

Can I mention Zhenya training at CSKA without any speculation? The Hamada girls did international camps/trips to work on their jumps, so I'm hoping for a spin camp/endurance training to get some progress there but please keep your distance from 'URs should not be called' Buianova ;]

That‘s great news! I‘m hoping to see Liza jump too. And maybe Sofia will show her brandnew 3Lz-3Lo she‘s been working on. Do you think it will make a debut for Euros? I doubt it as Sofia‘s greatest strength is her consistency and having a new combo seems a bit risky of a strategy. But I would certainly be happy if she tried it. It would make the whole competition a bit more exciting.

Yes, I think you can mention it. It would be interesting to find out who she‘s training with. Hopefully not Buyanova and her beloved URs. Do we know whether CSKA has a special jump/spin specialist?

 

[karina17]

And maybe Sofia will show her brandnew 3Lz-3Lo she‘s been working on. Do you think it will make a debut for Euros?

Someone asked Sofia this question on her Instagram Q&A, and she said no. I think you’re right, she’s building up a reputation as a very consistent skater and I don’t think she’ll be risking new combinations at such a high-stakes competition.

 

[Sugar Coated]

come on
:hopelessness:
you are both right, if IOC decision can be influenced by someone, Med was the best candidate and she did her job 100% but none can prove that without her speech the decision could be worse for Russian athletes

As russian, I simply do not believe that major political decisions are made like that.
I believe that the decision would be exactly the same if russia chose to send Zagitova, for example, instead of Medvedeva. Or Masha Sotskova. IOC did not need to be presented a clean and brilliant russian athlete to aknowledge the existance of such. The decision was made, and the russian delegation to Lausanne was basically one of the political rituals that usually come with the process of decision making.

I highly doubt she influenced the actual decision making but I do think she was instrumental in justifying the decision to the world wide public. They likely had their reasons for the decision, but that doesn’t mean everyone world wide will accept it. People wanted Russia to be punished and she was held up as an example of an innocent, hard working and accomplished athlete who would be denied an opportunity at her dream due to the mistakes of others. I think she did an excellent job being the public face of clean athletes to help mollify the sports community.

 

[malya]

Ah that‘s good then if the livestream will be saved there. If there‘s no KnC, how will we find out the scores?



That‘s great news! I‘m hoping to see Liza jump too. And maybe Sofia will show her brandnew 3Lz-3Lo she‘s been working on. Do you think it will make a debut for Euros? I doubt it as Sofia‘s greatest strength is her consistency and having a new combo seems a bit risky of a strategy. But I would certainly be happy if she tried it. It would make the whole competition a bit more exciting.

Yes, I think you can mention it. It would be interesting to find out who she‘s training with. Hopefully not Buyanova and her beloved URs. Do we know whether CSKA has a special jump/spin specialist?

Sofia will not add it at Euros, she answered that at some instagram AMA

(from the video I'm also not sure if it's fully rotated...)

I only know Davydov does great work with novices + juniors at CSKA. Spins look great. As a senior he has Tarusina who does amazing consistently, but she is not an example with a good Lutz and high jumps... I doubt Orser would be fine with another coach interfering when he is working on changing jump technique. That can only lead to disater

Btw we have seen Sofia jump her 'Lutz' with as big an inside edge as the worst of Zhenyas dreaded 'flutz'... Everything is possible with time, maybe soon she will repeat a 3Lz-3Lo with no wrong edge!

 

[Scott512]

I know that but the person who I commented to seems to thinks that those interactions or lack thereof and the tensions between eteri and zhenya ( as well as that in one foto zhenya was sitting away from the others)would be a good reason to say that zhenya should not be on the team cause alina apparently would then not be calm enough to skate clean.or at least that's what I got from those comments . Said author seemingly seems to forget the interactions between zhenya and alina at the gala. Both girls are ok with each other and are friendly with each other.

Agreed.

 

[Scott512]

It's like asking someone to prove that he or she has a brain, but only by showing a piece of it

Here is an article from the NY Times, the day before the IOC deliberations on whether to ban Russia altogether from the Olympics. https://www.nytimes.com/2017/12/04/sports/olympics/russia-doping-olympics.html

I bet nobody needs a reminder that the IOC ended up allowing Russian athletes to compete as "Olympic Athletes from Russia." Or maybe somebody wants evidence of that, too... just to drag this conversation along...

thank you for that New York Times article.

The mainstream media and most athletes around the world wanted Russia out of the Olympics entirely which is what I thought was going to happen. I am astonished that so many people here are upset that I and others are giving Medvedeva credit for helping getting Russia in the olympics on a limited basis. LMAO!

By the way did Vladimir Putin ever clean up the systematic doping mess in Russia? If not Russia may need Zhenya to give another speech to the ioc to get Russia in the next summer olympics!

If they get banned at the next summer games which is possible if Russia has not cleaned up there systematic doping mess to satisfy the international Olympic Committee. If they get banned at the next Summer Olympics then Russia will be in great doubt for the next Winter Games which would not be fair to the great figure skaters in Russia. Maybe we will see several Russian figure skaters get dual citizenships for other countries just in case.

Now on to the European championship. I'm really looking forward to that and saying if Alina can find her Olympic form again in a competition she should win and in reality nees to win heading into worlds.

 

[malya]

https://youtu.be/aotQr9Y8SxI

I really like this FS. Team Panova <3

Hopefully we will see many of her students internationally (and not under another coach!!)

 

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Sofia will not add it at Euros, she answered that at some instagram AMA

(from the video I'm also not sure if it's fully rotated...)

I only know Davydov does great work with novices + juniors at CSKA. Spins look great. As a senior he has Tarusina who does amazing consistently, but she is not an example with a good Lutz and high jumps... I doubt Orser would be fine with another coach interfering when he is working on changing jump technique. That can only lead to disater

Btw we have seen Sofia jump her 'Lutz' with as big an inside edge as the worst of Zhenyas dreaded 'flutz'... Everything is possible with time, maybe soon she will repeat a 3Lz-3Lo with no wrong edge!

Oh okay, thanks for the info. It‘s better anyway. She built up her reputation as a consistent skater, trying out new elements could be a bit too risky, especially at an event like Euros. I do think it‘s great that she‘s learning these elements, though. She can practice them in the off-season and get them stable and consistent. Next season will be more than interesting with so many talented ladies training new technical things.

Yes, I agree. I just thought maybe a coach there could help her with spins, not necessarily jumps. It‘s still not known why she‘s still trainig at CSKA but speculation like this doesn‘t belong in here anyway.

Sofia really has made tremendous improvements. Zhenya‘s lutz is still inside but we‘ve seen an attempt from her show in Italy that looked better edge wise. Not clearly outside as her timing is still wrong but it‘s certainly one of her better attempts.

https://www.instagram.com/p/BsLNDtbhO4K/?utm_source=ig_share_sheet&igshid=1vsaxaz0r4qnf

I don‘t think we‘ll see her do 3Lz-3Lo with perfect outside edge soon, that‘s a bit ambitious, but maybe we‘ll once see a truly flat edge. That would be an improvement already.

Now on to the European championship. I'm really looking forward to that and saying if Alina can find her Olympic form again in a competition she should win and in reality nees to win heading into worlds.

I think that we should give Alina some more time to reach her Olympic form again. She‘s had a growth spurt and has been doing really well despite that. She also has more responsibility mentally now. She‘s the team leader and all the girls are chasing her. It‘s something she has to get used to. I am a bit worried and just hope she is healthy. To expect her back in Olympic form, is in my opinion, a bit too much to ask from her right now. But we‘ll just have to wait and see.

Why does Alina need to win Europeans? I have no doubts that she will because she has a very high scoring potential and even with a mistake and an injury at GPF she beat Sofia and Stanislava‘s best scores this season. I don‘t think she‘ll have another Nationals moment. So, I think, unless something dramatic happens, the gold is hers to lose. Maybe it will be better for her reputation entering Worlds but does she really “need“ to win it? She‘s won Euros before, she has won a lot, she‘s already an accomplished athlete. Her reputation should be fine enough, imo. But I agree that it would certainly be a boost to her confidence. I don‘t think it‘s up to much discussion anyway. I guess we can all agree that Alina is more than an overwhelming favorite entering Euros. Even if she isn‘t in Olympic form, she still has a silver from GPF, she is able to compete at the highest level and she can easily capture the Euros title with skates like she had there. I am fairly certain of her doing that.

 

[Fluture]

https://youtu.be/aotQr9Y8SxI

I really like this FS. Team Panova <3

Hopefully we will see many of her students internationally (and not under another coach!!)

Wow, she‘s a beautiful skater! I have never heard of her but that was a clean skate with lots of triples and rippons! Is she too young to be on juniors yet or why didn‘t she get any assignments?

That isn‘t her original FS music, though, is it? It didn‘t seem to match the movements at times and the ending was also quite weird...

I really like Panova‘s Team. She has many great skaters under. Alena Kanysheva is my favourite and I hope she stays with her. She had a great international debut by winning two silver medals at her JGP events and a bronze at the final already. I hope we‘ll see Sinitsyna more next year, too.

 

[el henry]

This means no more than some similarities in the movements. All together it's like a dance. Isn't it?

Hmmm, I’m not seeing it.
Zhenya’s movements are controlled and fierce, whereas the cartoon character seems “loosey goosey”. To me

But since you meant it in *praise* of Zhenya’s good work, diplomacy and skating, I’m good:agree:

 

[Fluture]

Hmmm, I’m not seeing it.
Zhenya’s movements are controlled and fierce, whereas the cartoon character seems “loosey goosey”. To me

But since you meant it in *praise* of Zhenya’s good work, diplomacy and skating, I’m good:agree:

Of course it was meant solely as praise for Zhenya. What else could we expect from users in here?

 

[NoviceFan]

This is too funny

Of course it was meant solely as praise for Zhenya. What else could we expect from users in here?

Hmmm, I’m not seeing it.
Zhenya’s movements are controlled and fierce, whereas the cartoon character seems “loosey goosey”. To me

But since you meant it in *praise* of Zhenya’s good work, diplomacy and skating, I’m good:agree:

 

[Alexz]

All links and info about Cup of Moscow is in this tweet: https://twitter.com/SashaWitchProj/status/1083765143048200192?s=20

 

[LindaTNo1]

I see the OIC and ISU getting more harsher on Russia, age requirements more strict, anti-doping rules followed more closely, and a wide range of issues in future meetings. I think Zhenya is a great ambassador for Russian skating. Her eyes are wide open, for sure.

 

[Fluture]

All links and info about Cup of Mosxow is in this tweet: https://twitter.com/SashaWitchProj/status/1083765143048200192?s=20

Thanks a lot!

 

[Alexz]

Thanks a lot!

Welcome. Enjoy. Most of it in Cyrillic. But regular fs fans (like us) = Google translate ninjas.

 

[Fluture]

Welcome. Enjoy. Most of it in Cyrillic. But regular fs fans (like us) = Google translate ninjas.

I know how some of the letters look. So, I know Alina Zagitova, Evgenia Medvedeva, Alena Kostornaya, Sasha Trusova, Alena Kanysheva and co. in cyrillic and mostly just compare the letters to find out. I want to train my brain so that I can at least read names without problems.

But yes, other than that, figure skating fans, especially if one likes Japanese or Russian ones should really learn the discipline of using all sorts of translators to find out the latest news.

 

[Scott512]

I see the OIC and ISU getting more harsher on Russia, age requirements more strict, anti-doping rules followed more closely, and a wide range of issues in future meetings. I think Zhenya is a great ambassador for Russian skating. Her eyes are wide open, for sure.

Agreed. Undeniable.

Hoping Alina scores 230 plus at euros.

 

[malya]

I don‘t think we‘ll see her do 3Lz-3Lo with perfect outside edge soon, that‘s a bit ambitious, but maybe we‘ll once see a truly flat edge. That would be an improvement already.

Ohh I meant for Sofia sorry because we have seen that 3Lz-3Lo video, as a future prospect

Zhenya will have to take her time, thats why I mentionned Sofia as an example. Sofia used to jump only flips too but has been gradualy improving her edge for a Lutz for years now (under the guidiance of The Professor himself!) - and STILL only does 1 single 3Lz with slight outside/questionable edge in competition. It's also her most telegraphed jump to concentrate on that edge.

Maybe check the edge again after a long off season spent training

 

[Fluture]

Ohh I meant for Sofia sorry because we have seen that 3Lz-3Lo video, as a future prospect

Zhenya will have to take her time, thats why I mentionned Sofia as an example. Sofia used to jump only flips too but has been gradualy improving her edge for a Lutz for years now (under the guidiance of The Professor himself!) - and STILL only does 1 single 3Lz with slight outside/questionable edge in competition. It's also her most telegraphed jump to concentrate on that edge.

Maybe check the edge again after a long off season spent training

Oh, sorry, I must have misunderstood that then.

I think Sofia could do a beautiful 3F-3Lo, I wonder why she‘s never tried it but chose to do 3Lz-3Lo instead. The BV is not that different, is it? Her 3F is very consistent and she has no problems with the edge. I would really like to see this combination performed more. I remember Sasha used to do a 3F-3Lo in the SP last year due to the requirement of a solo 3Lz and it was a fresh and spectacular combo.

And that way Sofia could repeat 3Lo and 3F, two of her best jumps. It would only raise the BV slightly but she would have more time to work on improving her lutz edge before adding a second one. I think her lutz edge is only slightly outside and yes, it‘s pretty telegraphed but that‘s a great improvement already, considering she once had an inside edge. But of course, The Professor is a technical genius at teaching perfect lutzes. Just look at Liza!

I hope Zhenya can improve her lutz edge too but it will take time, like you said.