I really don’t think I’m being bias; I don’t even like Repond that much, although I do appreciate her drive. But I do agree that the criteria should be cut-and-dried and standardized across the board. The way I’m thinking the rules should be, the results would be: Repond out. Malinin out (this year, but not last), Miura out. Kagiyama out. And so on and so forth.
I always thought that was the rule, but apparently not!If you compete at a senior competition, you can't compete at the junior level again?
Ah that's the rule I was thinking of!There is already an ISU rule that excludes skaters who do JGP from doing GP and vice versa. If the ISU wanted to forbid skaters from category hopping in ISU championships (or challengers), there would be a rule.
Those unhappy about this, can blame the ISU... not the skater... nor their team.
Exactly...and on top of that, i would argue that it is the aim of most junior skaters to start looking as seniors at JWCAh that's the rule I was thinking of!
Also it's kinda funny that people are complaining about Kao looking like a senior here, because when he was at 4CCs they were arguing the other way around!
Wasn’t me. I saw him live in Skate Canada this year, and he looked great. When Japan put him into JWC, I knew that it was by the letter, but not in spirit. However, plenty of other skaters skate everything, including in that group of men, so it was obvious they sent them to get gold and 40 points difference wasn’t surprising. I think they tried to send Sato last year or something… heck, if Uno was 19, they’d probably send him.Ah that's the rule I was thinking of!
Also it's kinda funny that people are complaining about Kao looking like a senior here, because when he was at 4CCs they were arguing the other way around!
Granted...they may not have been the SAME people Still I'm amused.Exactly...and on top of that, i would argue that it is the aim of most junior skaters to start looking as seniors at JWC
They'd need to bring in a rule about anyone going to any seniors comp could not compete in any juniors, the same one or another, and vice versa. Lotsa luck getting that one past the Feds.Ah that's the rule I was thinking of!
and if they did... i bet some skaters would keep going only as juniors much longer... in deep feds like ... Japan so it wouldn't even help the "juniorer juniors"They'd need to bring in a rule about anyone going to any seniors comp could not compete in any juniors, the same one of another, and vice versa. Lotsa luck getting that one past the Feds.
Yes, I would be. I sounded off on Miura’s selection to Junior Worlds as soon as Japan announced the assignments, which was right after Nationals in late December. I’ve already said this, but again, the key difference between Ilia and Miura is Ilia competed as a junior internationally last year and this year, Miura did not and did incredibly well on the GP circuit. There’s nothing vague about that. I thought I was clear on that point. It’s not a double standard because the situations are not the same.(tell me, if he hadn't gone to 4CC but had still been as accomplished as he was today, would you still be arguing that he's 'too seniorish'?
Yes, I would be. I sounded off on Miura’s selection to Junior Worlds as soon as Japan announced the assignments, which was right after Nationals in late December. I’ve already said this, but again, the key difference between Ilia and Miura is Ilia competed as a junior internationally last year and this year, Miura did not and did incredibly well on the GP circuit. There’s nothing vague about that. I thought I was clear on that point. It’s not a double standard because the situations are not the same.
Yeah, we’re just going to have to agree to disagree on the double standards. But I highlighted the relevant parts in bold that best illustrates why I feel the way I do and why the two aren’t comparable.You were clear on what you thought, but I disagree about it not being a double standard. Malinin was bumped up and Miura was bumped down .
This needs to be reviewed. Suntsev had finished all his jumps, he had just 2 elements left. It was totally unfair.Actually, the biggest thing I didn’t get about judging was why Pitot wasn’t stopped the way Suntsev was for the same costume violation. It felt sooooooo unfair.
It was exactly the same situation because Suntsev re-skated the SS and Pitot skated the whole SS with the straps as obviously hanging loose and touching the ice as in Suntsev’s case. There was literally no difference.This needs to be reviewed. Suntsev had finished all his jumps, he had just 2 elements left. It was totally unfair.
Its totally unfair and I felt bad when it happened to Suntsev, but the fact that they did not do it to Pitot makes it so much worse.It was exactly the same situation because Suntsev re-skated the SS and Pitot skated the whole SS with the straps as obviously hanging loose and touching the ice as in Suntsev’s case. There was literally no difference.
I thought that safety is safety with Suntsev, but no call on Pitot made it unfair for me, because the length of the segment skated and the comparative risk to the skater was the same.Its totally unfair and I felt bad when it happened to Suntsev, but the fact that they did not do it to Pitot makes it so much worse.
You can’t really change those rules and allow the smaller federations to survive when they only have one guy doing everything. It is very hard to frame this rule in such a way that it says, “dammit, don’t send your really good skater who happens to be age-eligible and has TES qualifications, but it’s okay if it’s not a podium contender”. I guess the only way to do it is to insists that participating in at least one JGP event during the season is required to force the issue, but then it creates problems for skaters who showed a strong improvement in off-season that fed wanted to try out in juniors or they didn’t get a GP spot.Miura competing was within the rules of course, but maybe the rules need a change. One can argue about taking part in junior/senior GPs, but someone who competed in the seniors' GP final should not be at junior worlds.
No doubt though that Japan deserves 3 spots in every singles' discipline...