Dislike except for Ice Dance. Even ice dance it gets on my nerves. lol.
Bolero - Like, Don’t mind, Hate
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I don’t think it’s sacred or anything, but I know people have some conflicting opinions about it
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I can see both sides.
In my heart, I associate Bolero only with purple chiffon and ice dance, and when I see someone else skating it, I still see purple chiffon and ice dance. In my defense, Bolero was not just an iconic program. It changed ice dance. And engendered a gazillion skaters dying on the ice in the future years.
But I know in my head that no skater owns a piece of music and in close to 40 years it is unrealistic to assume that no one is ever to going to skate to Bolero.
So to answer the question:
T&D
and it's very difficult for me to rate the others.
In my heart, I associate Bolero only with purple chiffon and ice dance, and when I see someone else skating it, I still see purple chiffon and ice dance. In my defense, Bolero was not just an iconic program. It changed ice dance. And engendered a gazillion skaters dying on the ice in the future years.
But I know in my head that no skater owns a piece of music and in close to 40 years it is unrealistic to assume that no one is ever to going to skate to Bolero.
So to answer the question:
T&Dand it's very difficult for me to rate the others.
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I am an unshamed Bolero fan! I almost always enjoy hearing it.
Without further ado
Love:
Torville and Dean (got me into Ice Dance when I looked it up on YouTube)
Plushy (Yeah, the costume is weird, but it's weirdly awesome! Also the choreo is peak Plushy )
Liza Tuk (Mishin students have great luck with Bolero, maybe Misha K should use it this upcoming season, both Plushy and Liza won their first World Championships with this music
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T/M (I'm gonna be sorry to see it go especially since their FS isn't my cup of tea music wise - also note Vovan's use of arms, he's trying to hypnotise us
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Don't Mind
Can't think of any
Can't Stand
The version Kamila V has sounds like the lowgrade elevator/hold Muzak version and it's like nails on a chalk board to me. I'm like personally offended by it
Without further ado
Love:
Torville and Dean (got me into Ice Dance when I looked it up on YouTube)
Plushy (Yeah, the costume is weird, but it's weirdly awesome! Also the choreo is peak Plushy
)Liza Tuk (Mishin students have great luck with Bolero, maybe Misha K should use it this upcoming season, both Plushy and Liza won their first World Championships with this music
)T/M (I'm gonna be sorry to see it go especially since their FS isn't my cup of tea music wise - also note Vovan's use of arms, he's trying to hypnotise us
)Don't Mind
Can't think of any
Can't Stand
The version Kamila V has sounds like the lowgrade elevator/hold Muzak version and it's like nails on a chalk board to me. I'm like personally offended by it
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Was Michelle Kwan the first very well-known skater to skate to Bolero after Torvill and Dean? Looking over the answers in this thread, she seems to be ... although I realize this is only people's favorites and not intended to be a definitive list. I think a fellow FS fan said to me not long ago that many years went by, after 1984, before anyone that she knew of skated to it.
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I like the music usually although I always seem to see Bo Derek behind my eyes whenever I hear it played (yes, I watched the film Ten). It is a bit monotone, and it's difficult to get that true climactic vibe within a skating programme because you have to cut it substantially.
I loved T&D's Bolero, although I personally liked their OD Paso Double even better (I'll never forget Torvill as a cape). I enjoyed Carolina skating to it, although - again - I liked her Ave Maria SP even better. I like T&M skating to it too, and they even manage it for an SP (so, even shorter). There are no skaters/versions I really hate although it feels somehow wrong for a girl of 14 to skate to it. But that's just me I suppose.
I loved T&D's Bolero, although I personally liked their OD Paso Double even better (I'll never forget Torvill as a cape). I enjoyed Carolina skating to it, although - again - I liked her Ave Maria SP even better. I like T&M skating to it too, and they even manage it for an SP (so, even shorter). There are no skaters/versions I really hate although it feels somehow wrong for a girl of 14 to skate to it. But that's just me I suppose.
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I think that’s just a consequence of the choreography. Bolero is kind of a slow piece but they try to cram in all the things they can for points, lots of leg kicks and stuff and unfortunately none of it really matches the pace of the music. There is just no way a skater can connect to the music if the choreography doesn’t fit it.
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Plushenko also used Bolero for his SP when he won the worlds in 2001.
Torvill & Dean's BoleroI am not saying it has to be retired, people can keep trying to do a new Bolero if they want to, but for me as El Henry says I just associate it with Torvill and Dean and a mesmerising piece of choreography. There may be someone who comes along and creates something as Jason did with Riverdance long after Bourne and Kraatz's iconic attempt, who knows. As it stands, I hear three beats and I instantly see Torvill and Dean in my minds eye. They have other dances I may have liked as much or more, but that is the piece of music pretty much of all pieces of music where the association between the music and a single skating routine is instant. The choreography triumphed the music for me so that they are now inseparable.
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As did Liza Tuk when she won in 2015
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The first time I heard it was with Kamila so my impression of it is her crazy spinning towards the end. That's what I'm used to. I looked up a few older versions that were supposed to be better and I found them slow. Like really really really slooooooow.
So yeah....Kamila all the way
So yeah....Kamila all the way
Not at the same level of Art as Torvill & Dean's or Kostner's IMO, but I thought I'd throw a couple more
competitive examples into the mix:
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And some show numbers I'd put in the Love category for myself:
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competitive examples into the mix:
Alexei Urmanov 1991 NHK Trophy - Original Program - Bolero
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And some show numbers I'd put in the Love category for myself:
"Bolero",Ice Capades 1985
Ice Capades of 1985, East Co. - Bolero: Now that Youtube's time limit has been increased, I'm uploading, in one video, and with better sound-sync., Ted Shuf...
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I have to agree about Kamila. She is a lovely skater, but misses the point of Bolero entirely. The initial slow pacing building up to a dramatic climax is the main feature of the music. It is very important to demonstrate that in the interpretation rather than to treat it as simply a dramatic piece. I feel it takes a certain maturity to skate to this piece and thats why the best versions are by older skaters. I did like Carolina's version very much.
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Speaking to POTO, Carmen 
, etc. I think the difference is that Bolero is sooo associated with a Gold Medal performance and with 2 specific skaters that are iconic. Some will say Evan Lysacek should or could have the same association but..
I really, really, really get irritated when skaters use the same music that's been used so many times. I just feel it's lazy on the part of the choreography and coaching team. There are so many beautiful pieces of music out there.
, etc. I think the difference is that Bolero is sooo associated with a Gold Medal performance and with 2 specific skaters that are iconic. Some will say Evan Lysacek should or could have the same association but..I really, really, really get irritated when skaters use the same music that's been used so many times. I just feel it's lazy on the part of the choreography and coaching team. There are so many beautiful pieces of music out there.
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Great. We just doubled the bandwagon. Expanding exponentially! Haha
