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Maybe, in the technical program one thing they could do is have everyone do the same step sequence. That's kind of what they do in synchronized swimming
There is actually an annual World Figures Championship that uses black ice and it does include artistic figures - ie the skaters develop and trace elaborate patterns on the ice, much larger and more complex than school figures. It's still very technical, but also very beautiful and rather hypnotic to watch: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YhfyWpIdypM
But IIRC, when figures were part of competition they were absolutely not invulnerable to politicking. In fact, some of the worst of it seems to have happened in that section of the events!
ETA: I disagree on Carmen Suite vs. Ariane. Ariane is one of Michelle's most under-rated programs, mainly because she was rarely able to skate it clean. But her performance of it at 1998 World Pro was stunning.
Call it Artistic Skating or something like that.
Why don’t they just ban judges who blatantly cheat? That’s the main problem, and changing the scoring system won’t solve the problem. We wouldn’t be having this conversation if judges would only do their job correctly. For example:
*Giving the same component marks across the board, never giving a 7 in one category and a 9 in another. Just because a skater is good at transitions doesn’t mean they’re also good at SS.
*Rewarding skaters with high tech higher PCS.
My understanding of the proposal is that the "artistic" program will still have jumps, probably more than the current short program, but less than the current freeskate or the new "technical" program.
Having a program with no jumps at all could be one way to go, but it does not appear that that is what the ISU currently has in mind.
We'll need to see the exact proposal before we can really figure out what we each like or don't like about it.
Having a program with no jumps at all could be one way to go, but it does not appear that that is what the ISU currently has in mind.
Funny how backloading stopped making sense artistically after bonus was removed...
It would make sense again with the right music, but now it's not allowed hence why she doesn't do it...
ISU would be out of their minds to eliminate jumps in ladies' and men's artistic programs. Singles ice dance is not that appealing to general public. Most casual fans tuning into Figure Skating were first drawn to jumps (not necessarily quads but jumps in general).
My understanding of the proposal is that the "artistic" program will still have jumps, probably more than the current short program, but less than the current freeskate or the new "technical" program.
Having a program with no jumps at all could be one way to go, but it does not appear that that is what the ISU currently has in mind.
We'll need to see the exact proposal before we can really figure out what we each like or don't like about it.
I think this is a pretty terrible idea. It seems like both programs would be about the same but one would be scored higher in tech and the other in presentation. How about this: keep the short and long but grade only jumps on tech in the long program. The rest would be graded on "presentation," like it was under 6.0. Maybe keep only three PCS categories--Performance, Interpretation and Composition. That would give skaters more incentive to include things like spirals, classic laybacks and scratch spins that are unrewarded in the current system.
They are rewarded plenty. Anything but the cheater’s 6 point system... and why skating skill and transitions are not valuable?