US Men: Did the judges have it right?
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Ask the judges themselves:
Here's the link to the judges expressions when panned by the NBC camera.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v-o4ZkFGDko
The reactions of just these 4 judges speaks volumes!!:
- Judge 1 - nervous laughter
- Judge 2 - a combination head shake, eye roll and shoulder shrug
- Judge 3 - [thought bubble] "I can't believe all the 'other' judges got it sooooo wrong"
- Judge 4 - consciously keeping her head/eyes down at her monitor [as if to avoid looking up into the crowd??]
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It won't... Nathan Chen isn't going to 4CC. :sad4:
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I think they got thee top five exactly right, although I was rooting for Grant Hochstein to get a medal.
About the judges looking perplexed, that's one of the features of the IJS. The judges just put in their marks in the appropriate boxes and don't know until it's over who they scored for the win.
About the judges looking perplexed, that's one of the features of the IJS. The judges just put in their marks in the appropriate boxes and don't know until it's over who they scored for the win.
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People are bamboozled into thinking Adam is some artist just because he seemingly has "elegance". Even Nathan skates faster than him. After the SP the order should've been:
1. Nathan
2. Max
THEN Adam. Nathan should've even won the PCS. As far as the long, Max should've been under Nathan in PCS, and Adam should've been much closer.
1. Nathan
2. Max
THEN Adam. Nathan should've even won the PCS. As far as the long, Max should've been under Nathan in PCS, and Adam should've been much closer.
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Nobody asked the judges. Interpretations of their expressions at a particular moment are not answers.
Now if you show me the computer rolling its eyes...........
Thank you! Nathan has the most difficult step sequences and transitions in his program out of the top 3 even if he doesn't have the "polish" of Adam, who did not even manage to land one quad in the long program while Nathan did 4 QUADS!! This was just embarrassing from a judging viewpoint.
Maybe it was a lifetime achievement award for Adam sticking around for so long. With Jason and hopefully Josh coming back next season and the kids like Nathan and Vincent getting better his time is getting short to even make a World team. He's 27 in November and to be honest his skating skills are not that much better then some of the other top US Men .
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I like both Adam and Max and either of them could have won,
Nathan was deservedly in third place.
But of course, when certain favorites, who are thought to have a lock on the way that the oh-so-important and valued international judges will (they think) judge someone, do not win as predicted, then it is the judge's fault. And oh, those international judges will show you when the time comes!
The ref is blind and wait until next Sunday!
Nathan was deservedly in third place.
But of course, when certain favorites, who are thought to have a lock on the way that the oh-so-important and valued international judges will (they think) judge someone, do not win as predicted, then it is the judge's fault. And oh, those international judges will show you when the time comes!
The ref is blind and wait until next Sunday!
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I would have actually been ok with the top 3 in any order. They each have strengths and weaknesses and all three ended up with very close scores. The important thing is that they all made the world team; it would have been a travesty if Nathan was left at home.
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Maybe not roll its eyes, but if a computer could talk, you might hear something like this during the scoring:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZBAijg5Betw
I think Adam's win is consistent with how the general public/casual viewer (not die-hard fans) views skating in the US - as both a sport and a performance. I count myself as one that can barely tell the difference of any of the jumps, even after watching skating since Dorothy Hamil at the Olympics. (Dating myself here...).
I just know what I like to see in a skating program (a blend of Skills, Artistry and Jumps that highlight the performance)
Adam - The Performer (and Lifetime Achievement Award)
Max - The Sportsman
Nathan - The Future (and History Maker)
I just know what I like to see in a skating program (a blend of Skills, Artistry and Jumps that highlight the performance)
Adam - The Performer (and Lifetime Achievement Award)
Max - The Sportsman
Nathan - The Future (and History Maker)
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The judging was a joke overall. As someone said in international competitions order will be restored.
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Well you can keep blaming the USFSA or the judges or whatever - but, to imply that the competition was "fixed" would also imply that there was planning beforehand and I don't think anyway wants to go there.
Nathan is a jumping bean. And right now - that's it. His choreography, his performance, his connection to the music, his connection to the audience, just isn't there yet. He had 4 quads and they were beautiful. But I sure don't want a figure skating competition to be based solely on landing multiple quads. There's more to skating than that. MUCH MORE. His time will come. He's still young and still developing.
Max. I would rather see him skating to something less lyrical and balletic where he could be himself. On point, Adam skated circles around him in skating skills, performance skills, and producing a finished product. Max looks uncomfortable out there, like other than the jumps he's just going through some practiced motions.
I don't know how Adam won but I'm really glad he did. I've always liked him and I think he's a complete skater.
There's no way this was going to turn out to some's liking unless Max was on top of the podium. So Worlds is coming up and he has another chance with another set of judges to prove himself.
Ross Miner is sad. He skate a beautiful short program and then did his usual in the long. I felt sorry for him. But other than Nathan, there really isn't a huge standout in the ranks. Of course that can change from year to year.
But I'm really tired of a performance being based on quads. It's a jump! Necessary, probably yes, but it should not be the focus of success.
Nathan is a jumping bean. And right now - that's it. His choreography, his performance, his connection to the music, his connection to the audience, just isn't there yet. He had 4 quads and they were beautiful. But I sure don't want a figure skating competition to be based solely on landing multiple quads. There's more to skating than that. MUCH MORE. His time will come. He's still young and still developing.
Max. I would rather see him skating to something less lyrical and balletic where he could be himself. On point, Adam skated circles around him in skating skills, performance skills, and producing a finished product. Max looks uncomfortable out there, like other than the jumps he's just going through some practiced motions.
I don't know how Adam won but I'm really glad he did. I've always liked him and I think he's a complete skater.
There's no way this was going to turn out to some's liking unless Max was on top of the podium. So Worlds is coming up and he has another chance with another set of judges to prove himself.
Ross Miner is sad. He skate a beautiful short program and then did his usual in the long. I felt sorry for him. But other than Nathan, there really isn't a huge standout in the ranks. Of course that can change from year to year.
But I'm really tired of a performance being based on quads. It's a jump! Necessary, probably yes, but it should not be the focus of success.
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