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You just keep ranting that Japan is corrupted because Chan didn't win WTT.
Wrong. Chan deservedly lost in that WTT. I have no wish to say or even think otherwise.
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You just keep ranting that Japan is corrupted because Chan didn't win WTT.
I don't think it would have been possible for any skater to win with three falls under the 6.0 system.
Actually, Plushenko was scored exactly right for his performance. A fall was a mandatory 4 point deduction, and Plushenko's technical scores ranged from 5.3 to 5.5. Without the fall it would have been 5.7 to 5.9.
Plushenko was reigning world champion in a sport where reputation counts for a lot. (So is Chan. ) Plus, Plushenko skated fast and with his usual swashbuckling style despite the mistake. It is to the credit of the Salt Lake City judges that they scored Plushenko correctly and did not try to hold him up by ignoring the technical error.
What issues do you still have with Dai's finger? ISU website is the last straw? Carry on.(with the finger thing, of course).
No, you are wrong. The -3 GOE for the first guy is mandatory for the lack of steps, while all the rest is up to judges. As for the second guy, you are saying he will get -6 GOE? Lame trolling here. Even Chan ubers know that -6 GOE for one jump never happened.Correct me if I'm wrong. I think for the first guy, he gets -3 GOEs for lack of required preceding steps. But he gets full credit for his perfect quad jump as well as +3 GOEs for his quad. For the other guy, he gets -3 GOEs for lack of preceding steps. Also he gets UR call, and -3 GOEs for two footed and then fall. No positive GOEs for his quad. He also gets a mandatory -1 deduction for the fall. Sounds like there are big difference between them.
Yet it doesn't stop you from saying that WTT is just some commercial event where Japanese bought judges, not an ISU stuff at all and therefore all wins/losts means nothing.Wrong. Chan deservedly lost in that WTT. I have no wish to say or even think otherwise.
It seems audience is not required in ice skating competitions anymore, actually ISU is all about elitist philosophical speculations
I am afraid ISU doesn't care not just about audience and public opinion. They don't care about skaters' well-being either. Plu, Yuna, Mao, Dai have fancy advertising contracts because they are popular sports elite in their countries, where fs is still popular. By reduciing fs popularity ISU automatically reduce skaters' chances to make good living.Maybe ISU feels the crowds are ruining skating by expressing honest feelings about the judging system and scores.
No, you are wrong. The -3 GOE for the first guy is mandatory for the lack of steps, while all the rest is up to judges. As for the second guy, you are saying he will get -6 GOE? Lame trolling here. Even Chan ubers know that -6 GOE for one jump never happened.
It's sad to say, but you're right... With this judging system, you never know how high or low the scores will be, because you can't know the levels they're going to give or the < jumps... So, yes, the ISU judging system has to be discussed, we fans have to say our opinions about it, especially if this is going to affect our favourite skaters, I think it's normal to care about them!The topic header is : What are you looking forward to most this season?
It is not "what do you hope for this season from your favorite skaters"
Some members are very interested in rule changes and the general effect of the CoP on skating this season.
I have too much affection for too many skaters to list them all but for instance wonder more about how the "Shibs" will be scored this season as opposed to how they will actually skate. :think:
I do have quite a bit of curiosity about how the ever changing scoring system will impact skating this season.
In all honesty if feels to me that some fans are more concerned about how the scoring will effect their favoites than they are about their new programs/coaching changes/music & costumes...etc.
The scoring system is the star of skating heading into this season. Others may feel differently but that is howI see it.
I think the point some people are making is that Patrick Chan can't deliver them a good percentage of the time, either - but the scoring does not necessarily reflect it. Also, I remember someone last season analyzing Chan's programs vs. Takahashi, and concluding that Dai had more transitions while Chan had more variety in his transitions. So how do you compare?I just want to give my two cents.... Patrick Chan is the greatest skater in the World, at this moment. No one can deliver such difficult programs. Maybe everyone should try this... Count how many cross cuts Patrick does in one program. And then count how many cross cuts his competitors do. That will show you how much more difficult Patrick's programs are. He does transitions and steps and turns his whole program.
Chan DESERVES to win with the falls, simply because his skating is better than the others'! His edges are deeper, his choreography is more difficult and has more transitions than anyone else in the world, the quality of his elements is amazing, so the GOEs in the good elements are high enough to counterbalance the mistakes, and I think it's correct. This is the good thing in the CoP system: you don't just have to count the mistakes in the jumps and give deductions, you have to compare the difficulty, the quality, the position of every element, and everything can make the difference, even a step sequence. And, unlike most of you, I like this! Like in 2010, I completely agreed when Lysacek won over Plushy, he was more artistic, more complete, his program had the "full package", Plushy did the jumps and nothing else (at least, for me)... And, let me say that falling is normal when you try a 2-quads/7-triples program, concentrating also on the spins and the steps!
And, sorry, but I don't think Chan's programs is Nice had "huge errors": one silly fall at the end and a popped jump in the FS, a couple of little losses of balance in the SP... who skated better? He deserved that world title (as well as the first)! The crowd that booed him evidently didn't understand anything about this new system...
Just curious if I have this right.....
A fall in '02 was a .4 deduction and a two footed landing was a .2 deduction?
How is that the same as the new CoP rules where falls and two footed landings are both -3 GOE?
What bothers me more is that not all two footed landings are the same. Ashley at times has a habit of barely brushing the ice with her other skate.
Is that the same as a two footed landing that plunks down, and causes disruption of the flow out?
If I explained that right it is hardly the same at all. It seems unbelievable that a micro managed system like the IJS would not be able to assign -GOE based on the level of disruption of various 2 footed landings.
That would atleast feel consistent with the values ofthe CoP.
This would also naturally set up more disputes..."was that really a -2 GOE? Her foot barely touched the ice and did not disrupt the flow."
Falls feel different to me..... your down, you disrupted not just the flow of the jump but of the choreo and feeling of the program.
Maybe I heard Button too many times saying something like "Sasha was casting a spell over us but it was broken by that fall."
As usual I agree with Button.
It's time to get back to the topic, everyone!
What am I looking forward to most this season?
-good seasons for Brian Joubert up to Sochi: 1) finally winning CoC and complete 6 GP wins, yay! (sorry Dai...but you do have NHK, right? ) 2) a podium finish at Worlds one more time, AND 3) have 2 great performances at the Olympic Games (finally) so that he can go out of his competitive career on a high note.
I am also looking forward to ubers of all types saving the uberish posts for the relevant threads. Alas, I have no great faith in this happening.
Pardon if I hurt you by thinking that a long-term multi-thousand-post user like yourself doesn't know that -6 GOE is not possible. I sincerely thought you were just either lamely trolling or kidding eveyone by pretending that you don't know that -6 GOE doesn't exist, as well as -4, -5, -11GOE, etc. If you indeed don't know that -6 GOE is not in apply, then I suggest you read ISU site. Some of their Communications are available in the Reference secton in Luzt Corner GS subforum.Getting desperate?!
For me it could be put in two words- Fair Play. All the rest will follow.What are you looking forward to most this season?
Pardon if I hurt you by thinking that a long-term multi-thousand-post user like yourself doesn't know that -6 GOE is not possible. I sincerely thought you were just either lamely trolling or kidding eveyone by pretending that you don't know that -6 GOE doesn't exist, as well as -4, -5, -11GOE, etc. If you indeed don't know that -6 GOE is not in apply, then I suggest you read ISU site. Some of their Communications are available in the Reference secton in Luzt Corner GS subforum.
Pardon again if I made you feel beaten. Others seem like to know that -6 GOE doesn't exist. You can enjoy the ISU site or Reference secion in Lutz Corner to educate yourself.If you know so well about this, why don't you quit beating around the bush. And give out your clear answer to the scenario you created. So other readers and I could learn something new from you.