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2017 Four Continents Men SP
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Wow, two 100+ scores and neither for Yuzu! 
Very surprising pop. When was the last time he popped a 4S? He would occasionally fall or have scrappy landings, but he so reliably rotates them. Probably got overexcited by the perfect 4Lo. Anyways, good performance otherwise! It's just funny seeing Yuzu do these winks at the judges - stuff Javi would do. But then again, Yuzu hasn't really had this type of entertainment program before.
Now, can someone please talk Yuzu out of doing the combo on his second 4S and just this once play it safe and go for it on the first jump? I still think it's an unnecessary risk and a waste of valuable points when he misses the second 4S.
Great skate from Nathan, but the PCS are somewhat quad-inflated. (I mean, judge #1, just
) He does deserve to be a couple of points above Boyang in PCS though. Now that I'm seeing them at the same competition, Boyang comes off as more juniorish compared to Nathan, and his SP, as fun/funny as it is, isn't helping in that regard. Nathan still also has several juniorish aspects to his skating, but his SP is better packaged. His FS is a different matter though. It will be really interesting to see what PCS he gets, especially skating last, and right after Yuzu.
Shoma's quad landings are still
And surprisingly sloppy on the last spin. Amazing 3A, but still I'm not sure that SP deserved to break 100.
And Patrick...sigh... Well I guess this means a stellar FS with his customary one bad + one great skate showing. I appreciate his brilliance and supreme skating skills, even though I've never been a particular fan of him overall (though I really do like this SP), but come on, 8.75 for SS? What the hell was judge#5 smoking that he gave identical SS scores to Patrick, Boyang and Nathan?
Very surprising pop. When was the last time he popped a 4S? He would occasionally fall or have scrappy landings, but he so reliably rotates them. Probably got overexcited by the perfect 4Lo. Anyways, good performance otherwise! It's just funny seeing Yuzu do these winks at the judges - stuff Javi would do. But then again, Yuzu hasn't really had this type of entertainment program before.Now, can someone please talk Yuzu out of doing the combo on his second 4S and just this once play it safe and go for it on the first jump? I still think it's an unnecessary risk and a waste of valuable points when he misses the second 4S.
Great skate from Nathan, but the PCS are somewhat quad-inflated. (I mean, judge #1, just
) He does deserve to be a couple of points above Boyang in PCS though. Now that I'm seeing them at the same competition, Boyang comes off as more juniorish compared to Nathan, and his SP, as fun/funny as it is, isn't helping in that regard. Nathan still also has several juniorish aspects to his skating, but his SP is better packaged. His FS is a different matter though. It will be really interesting to see what PCS he gets, especially skating last, and right after Yuzu.Shoma's quad landings are still
And surprisingly sloppy on the last spin. Amazing 3A, but still I'm not sure that SP deserved to break 100.And Patrick...sigh... Well I guess this means a stellar FS with his customary one bad + one great skate showing. I appreciate his brilliance and supreme skating skills, even though I've never been a particular fan of him overall (though I really do like this SP), but come on, 8.75 for SS? What the hell was judge#5 smoking that he gave identical SS scores to Patrick, Boyang and Nathan?
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Wow, two 100+ scores and neither for Yuzu!
I think he tripled the quad at skate canada and didn't do a combo.
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OK people. It's approaching 8:30am here in California and for me, the Men's event to start. I haven't looked at ANY posts but, since we're on page 133........:eeking: I can assume that event is over for everyone else. I hope you all enjoyed and I really hope my boy's skated well. It's so tempting to look but, I'm going to use discipline, and go make coffee.
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Han Yan!!!!!!! Can we give him an honorary 4CC bronze medal?
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Yuzuru did really well. The way he incorporated the 'crazy' into his program after he popped the quad was amazing. He never gives up and I'm really proud of him. I think 97 was a very high score though, and give credit to Yuzuru who looked honestly surprised when those numbers came up. I think that makes him a great sportsman, someone who doesn't expect to get scores handed to him, who wants genuinely do his best and not get any freebies. I think it's good to remind us all that in the end it's the judges who hand out the scores. Not the skater. I didn't expect such a score for Yuzuru this time when I saw what Nam Nguyen had received earlier. I wish them all the best in the free, but especially a clean free for Yuzuru. That program is just lovely (I wouldn't mind him getting off the podium if that means he will win Worlds this year, though)
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I don't think they reversed, they gave a second gold to Frechette even though the corrected score gave her the overall top score. The US beneficiary of the judge's error, was allowed to keep her gold medal.
All Yuzuru's elements other than the popped combo were high quality and got high GOEs - that's where the points come from. The skate was clean - no falls, stepouts, etc so I don't understand why people are surprised at that score.
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I think you are correct. It would have been really sad to rip the medal out of Kristen Babb-Sprague's hands 2 years after she won it. Or was the 2 year thing Beckie Scott getting the Gold up from bronze? It get so confusing when they go back and change results. Debbie Wilkes said in her book that even though the team that won the silver had their medal taken away so she and her partner went from Bronze to Silver in the worlds of 1964 (?) that she always felt that she had won the bronze and that the other team should have been able to keep their silver. I wonder how many other athletes have mixed feelings about being awarded a different medal after the fact.
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Also, we see people complain about PCS all the time but to be quite honest, there's a bit of a great difference between Yuzuru and Patrick compared to Nathan, Boyang and even Shoma in terms of maturity and quality in skating, which is something they've developed over the many years they've been practicing. And if they are 'saved' by their PCS, which I think is kind of a misnomer because they worked for those and even with pops or even a fall, it doesn't detract from their sheer quality and skills, I think it's only fair comparatively because how else can you differentiate those with great skating skills and transitions from those who are merely good? If the judges push PCS on the lower end, which seems to be an ongoing trend for the past couple of years, and PCS have a ceiling, there's not much way for the judges to distinguish the 'veterans' who have earned those points with preseverance and work over the years. For many of us, I think the gap in points between the youngsters and the veterans is even too low. Heck, there's some 'veterans' who deserved much higher than they got (Jason Brown, Han Yan, etc.).
I don't know, that's just my impression, especially after watching videos from most of these guys and seeing the sheer differences that exist between a Patrick and a Yuzuru from a Nathan or a Boyang. Shoma is a bit in between. He has great skating skills and presence though I understand those who say he tends to do a bit too much two-footed skating compared to the top guys, which doesn't show his skills to the fullest.
Edited to add: Then again what do I know, I just got here. But my 2 cents and all.
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Well even Yuzuru looked surprised, so there's that.
True, and still I don't understand why either.
It looks like the younger generation is taking over and will probably dominate the old. Nathan Chen definitely sets the bar high on the technical side with a commanding lead. He does these difficult quads with such ease, so effortless that it doesn't come across as labored at all.
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Well after watching the B.ESP commentary they expected him to get 95-96 so perhaps it was just a bit higher than expected
Yes, we're definitely seeing the dawn of a new era. I'm crossing my fingers that the technical mavericks will learn how to combine those jumps with more elaborate programs. :yes:
It's Japanese culture to be self-critical. Have you seen many Japanese skaters assert that they thought they deserve higher scores? "Pleasant surprise" doesn't always mean that a skater thinks they were overscored.
When I was accepted at university, and then graduate school, I thought the admissions committees made mistakes. (Yes, I'm of Japanese descent, it's hammered into us).
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Why are some people conveniently lumping Chen and Jin in the same group just because both do a quad lutz? Their skating skills and presentation in general are not even in the same league. If anything Chen is much closer to Uno than he is to Jin in terms of quality.
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I don't think that's it. Compare it to other reactions when he had less than stellar skates. He rarely looks surprised at his scores, mostly nods acceptingly.
I'm assuming you're advocating Nathan's superiority? I think Boyang's underappreciated when it comes to presentation skills. Nathan has better SS but Boyang's got some major performing power. Both of them have better SPs than LPs, and lets face it, both of their LPs are mostly setting up for jumps, so you can't even see Nathan's good qualities. For what they put out there on the ice, they should be scored closer than they are.
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