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Nooooo! :sad21:Apparently the layback spin is no longer mandatory in ladies' programs.
https://twitter.com/JeroenPrinsNL/status/740891353052270592
Goodbye, my namesake :sad21:
Nooooo! :sad21:Apparently the layback spin is no longer mandatory in ladies' programs.
https://twitter.com/JeroenPrinsNL/status/740891353052270592
Apparently the layback spin is no longer mandatory in ladies' programs. https://twitter.com/JeroenPrinsNL/status/740891353052270592
Assuming the Scale of Values remains the same, laybacks are still worth a bit more than other spins in one position with no fly or change of foot. If that's what's now required in the ladies' SP, then the ladies who can do good laybacks will continue to do them because they earn more points. It's the ones who are less good at laybacks but good at camel or sitspins, or maybe some other upright variation(?), who will use a different option.
As if skaters weren't punished enough... Some will be happy, but not me.
Apparently the layback spin is no longer mandatory in ladies' programs.
https://twitter.com/JeroenPrinsNL/status/740891353052270592
Yes! I'm so happy!
No more having to see my Queen with her persistent back troubles force herself into a position that will only make those problems worse! Skaters' backs all around the world are saved!
Of course the flexible skaters (and their fans) will complain...but as a fan of an unflexible skater (and someone with a screwed up back themselves) I say FINALLY SOME COMMON BLOODY SENSE from the ISU! People call to ban quads all the time "because the injuries!!!" but moan when a skater "doesn't have a good layback" but is forced to do so regardless of how much damage they might be doing to do it.
Note: Interesting Drama surrounds Friday's ISU Congress Elections...
Exclusive: U-turn over cancelled reception dominates final day of campaigning before ISU Presidential election
http://www.insidethegames.biz/articles/1038300/exclusive-u-turn-over-cancelled-reception-dominates-final-day-of-campaigning-before-isu-presidential-election
A victory for either he or Dijkema, currently the ISU vice-president for speed skating, would continue a 36-year streak of speed skating figures leading the body.
I think it's naive to think that guys who do quads regulary will simplify programs just to be "safe" and more pleasing to some (or even majority) of the fans, as they know they won't be winning anything this way. Instead we will have more "hit" or "miss" programs. We both agree that the rule will affect Men the most. They already have -4 in GOE for falls on quads, why additional deduction, again? I think it's just not fair, that's all. (You don't have to agree with me of course). Sure, there will be guys who wanted to introduce quads to their programs and now may hesitate. But skaters want to do quads and they will be doing them, even if they will fall on them. I'm against punishing skaters severeal times for any mistake, they may do in a program. Quads are really hard elements to perform and instead of rewarding, the system punish skaters for improving and pushing the sport. I mentioned Anna Pogorilaya before, but I recalled today, that one of my faovurite headcases, Michal Brezina, had 4 falls in Free Program at Nebelhorn Trophy :hopelessness: He's not one dimensional skater, like some of the quad jumpers, but he will be punished severely by this rule, cause falls (even on easy elements) are his everyday bread.Fall is an awful disruption of the program which is often not reflected enough score-wise. As much ss I love Yuzuru, I don't think a 2-fall program winning Olympics is a good thing (to stall arguments: yeah I know he still would have won, it just shows how bad the competition was) The more falls the worse it gets. This new rule will hit Men the most as they are the most prone to falls and perhaps they will start having more reliable, realistic layouts. And if they don't, let them be punished.
I think it's naive to think that guys who do quads regulary will simplify programs just to be "safe" and more pleasing to some (or even majority) of the fans, as they know they won't be winning anything this way. Instead we will have more "hit" or "miss" programs. We both agree that the rule will affect Men the most. They already have -4 in GOE for falls on quads, why additional deduction, again? I think it's just not fair, that's all. (You don't have to agree with me of course). Sure, there will be guys who wanted to introduce quads to their programs and now may hesitate. But skaters want to do quads and they will be doing them, even if they will fall on them. I'm against punishing skaters severeal times for any mistake, they may do in a program. Quads are really hard elements to perform and instead of rewarding, the system punish skaters for improving and pushing the sport. I mentioned Anna Pogorilaya before, but I recalled today, that one of my faovurite headcases, Michal Brezina, had 4 falls in Free Program at Nebelhorn Trophy :hopelessness: He's not one dimensional skater, like some of the quad jumpers, but he will be punished severely by this rule, cause falls (even on easy elements) are his everyday bread.
It may be just me, but I'd rather see a skater, who tries fully rotated quad, 3A or any other properply done element and fall, than UR jumps or level 2 step sequence. I'm glad that ISU aplies this rule only to senior competitions, though. At least juniors won't be scared to try new elements in their programs.