2016 Skate Canada Ladies SP

[MaiKatze]

Agree that technical specialists need to make up their minds on what they'll call. Then again, maybe Satoko's jumps weren't around today and are around on others?

Disagree on the bolded. Girls smaller than Satoko jump higher.

I just guessed that was why she doesn't jump higher. That what she does is just doing the best with what her body can do. Some things can't be forced, but I'm not an expert so if you say that has nothing to do with it, idk what it is.

 

[Osmond4gold]

Kaetlyn's video on a Russian youtube channel has 22 likes and 26 dislikes. lol. Many commenters raging about "unbelievable inflation". Oh, to be one of those pathetic butthurt haters. Need I remind them about a certain competition in Sochi?

Imagine, ..how dare judges ever think a female skater outside of Russia, Japan or the USA, could possible compete as a podium contender. Makes no sense...?

 

[Tolstoj]

There is another problem. The score of 65 seems okay at first, but Satoko is used to higher scores by now. The judges were willing to go with her and awarded her 70 something scores. If this had been NHK she might have cracked 70 with the same skate. It's the expectation. It's confusing. To be honest, I never understood these high scores, but as I don't skate myself I thought, well, she is consistent and does the things she can and jumps as high as her body type allows. But now the judges say, nay, we don't like that anymore. And then present these scores. It seems like a failure when it really isn't, because these scores are still okay. All of this isn't Satoko's fault. It's the judges for obviosuly throwing the dice. Who knows what to do and what to work on if you always get rewarded? At least things get interesting in Japan's ladies field, I hope.

Yes if this is the new standard judgement for Satoko's jumps, i will be fine with it because she will finally receive the feedback that her jumps must be bigger.

But other times, like at GPF or at Worlds judges gave her a very big TES but low PCS compared to the others and that send a completely different message to the skater and her coach.

 

[Tolstoj]

Kaetlyn's video on a Russian youtube channel has 22 likes and 26 dislikes. lol. Many commenters raging about "unbelievable inflation". Oh, to be one of those pathetic butthurt haters. Need I remind them about a certain competition in Sochi?

Just because this is a video from a russian channel, it doesn't mean all the viewers are russian, maybe he/she was the first to upload this on youtube and this is what youtube people thinks on that performance.

 

[Violet Bliss]

But just to be clear: Kaetlyn was great here, well deserved the second place and the personal best, just the score is too high in my opinion.

It's your reason for thinking her score is too high that is disagreeable to many. You deem it necessary and fair to reference her past scores and others' effort in scoring her instead of basing solely on the merits of the performance at the competition. But competitions are about what happens at the competitions (including effect of any illegal enhancement).

 

[Osmond4gold]

Where is a Kaetlyn video that I can watch?

Try this Violet...I always enjoy the Brit announcers

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nPsbBVacqTM

 

[sneakers]

Satoko doubled her Flutz or visibly needs a downgrade. Had it been NHK, she would have gotten still a 70+
its the same for every home competition advantage.

 

[andromache]

Satoko doubled her Flutz or visibly needs a downgrade. Had it been NHK, she would have gotten still a 70+
its the same for every home competition advantage.

Luckily, skaters from all the big skating countries enjoy a home advantage at some point!

It's the poor Joshi Helgessons of the world who never get a home advantage.

 

[Alex D]

Ladies SP, As it happened

I actually didn´t want to write about the Ladies this time, not that i don´t like them or find them less interesting now, but you know how it is with time, it´s sometimes just not enough for my long posts of glorification and I just can´t shut up with a simple sentence when I watch them.

That being said when I saw the Line up with Liza, Rika and Kaety in Group 1, I said to myself, hey you need to say something, they always skate so wonderful ... you owe them a few words and ya, here we go! I want to point out though, that I am strongly multi tasking right now, working on a music project, while having the ISU stream going and my Laptop for writing up and before you ask, yes, men can do that, only few though and only once a each year, so that opportunity is now gone, thanks Ladies...


Anyways, lets start with our prime example, for Multi tasking, Elizaveta Tuktamysheva who was not only on my TV screen, actually it´s not really a TV screen, as I don´t have TV - which might explain my weird personality, but it´s still a big screen for pictures, DVDs and internet streaming and ya, next to my screen was a young lady looking on as well!
This Lady, had a very different look to the one on ice and yet it was Liza! The story behind this is, that a few weeks ago when we met at Oberstdorf, she signed said picture and I had to get it from my other room, spirits you know... and together we were watching and I always gave her on the picture a nod, when she did well on ice! Yes, I have problems I know but it worked, didn´t it?

As for her skating today, wasn´t she just wonderful to look at? So much grace in that lady , flirty and sexy, confident and just with a super vibe going on. The term effortless was created only for her, no other lady skates like she does and no, Liza is not bored or slow, no she just makes everything she does, look so easy and calm, almost as if everyone out there, could get on the ice with her and do a few spins. Something I might indeed consider, once Adelina gave me that skating lesson that she still owes me!

But on a more serious note, I think that it is remarkable, what this lady has done in the past years, she has been everywhere, on top - the bottom and somewhere in between and she never changed. She was graceful in success and defeat, what a character and today, she did not make any mistakes, great triple toe combination and the triple A is not yet in the program, but that is not a loss for me, as she could just stand on ice and I would still give her 10 points!

Not 10 points I can sadly give for our Kaety and the reason is that she was not flawless today! Now you may wonder, did Alex smoke, did he drink or is that even Alex... and NO, NO and Yes! What Kaetlyn Osmond did today, was more than flawless, it was spectacular, so was her clumsy step out after she nailed that huge combination of triple Flip - triple Toe, what was she thinking there?

It´s just a few steps Kaety, but you make them special with that little tumble and hey, it of course was all part of the choreo right!
That being said, what was definitely part of the choreography, was of course her outfit and the make up, even though I am not convinced that lipstick on teeth, was actually intended, was it? Anyways, you just have to love her presentation skills, such a hard program and she doesn´t make it look like that, while she still comes up with those little lady issues from time to time.
It is what makes her so sympathetic, she is not perfect, she has her moments when things just go into a direction she can´t control and today, she had one if not the best skate of her life and how fitting, that it was at Skate Canada, where last season, she had one of the worst in the Free.

That skate, is still in front of her this season and no matter what she will do tomorrow, I am sure it will be a typical Kaetlyn again. Is she going to skate lights out, with huge jumps, that leave no doubt like today, or will she add one of those special moments again, in which she does the unexpected. Is it save, to let her climb the podium, i don´t know, she has issues with carpets as we know... Jokes aside really, I am sure she get´s them a lot from her friends already, so my apologizes young lady!

Whatever happens tomorrow, I am sure it will be original and in style, so let´s wish that lady a great skate, she so deserves it and I am sure we will talk again, after we could all witness the joy and the lols from Kaetlyn Osmond on Saturday.

Another Canadian stepped on the ice today and didn´t she look like two million dollars today!? Alaine Chartrand for me, just rocked that dress of hers, she has diamonds in her heart, dynamite in her legs and now also glitter around her neck! She struggled a bit, but seriously, I did not one moment look at her jumps during that program, I so like the composition of the program to Sway. Sway btw. is a song that one of my friends, she is a vocalist, did sing in a tv show years ago and she actually is or was a table dance artist before and I could not help but think about Alaine, dancing on a table all night long, with those naughty & sexy moves that she performed today.
Where does a young lady pick those skills up, I wonder - she is a natural and that loop and the transition into it, top notch from my point of view and gorgeous spins as always, so difficult what she does there.

The young Canadian just get´s better each season, we all remember Pina right, one of the best SP´s last season and her Sway is absolutely gorgeous with huge potential and Brian is doing such a fine job with the presentation skills of all his skaters, such a joy to see them on ice, same applies for Joshi of course, but she always had the glamour didn´t she and I am sure, they will fix her jumps in future, as this was a little up and down today.

Ups she knows plenty, the best skater of the world right now, Evgenia Medvedeva and I cant stop saying it, but please leave this girl alone, she is not the reason for all the bad in the world and she just want´s to present her programs and not be involved in politics.
Said politics don´t belong to the ice rink and she has grown up, we can all see it, but her skating is not less good, she sells each of her programs with heart, posture and strong emotions, while adding difficult transitions, showing great choreographic elements and again, she opens her program, like a skater should, she even says thank you in Russian, as all those around her, took pictures and its so spot on to her life, as this is what people do, she is now a star and everyone want´s something of you and I can only imagine, how annoying it can be at times, if yet another guy want´s to take a picture, something that is usually my role at the ice rink, as I am always late for pictures...

Not late she was today, everything so spot on, she adds so much before and after, but also during her elements, she changes edge flawlessly, goes on one leg, forwards and backwards, she performs right before the jumps like at the Loop, there is not a moment of pause and rightfully she scored above all other ladies today and she likes Sailor Moon, oh yes, my childhood crush - I was I have to admit, always into Sailor Merkur, but Venus was cool too and yes, I talk nonsense again....

What can I say, she is just wonderful isn't she? I can´t understand how people can not like her, seriously she has the total package and is kind, charming and a super athlete and artist at the same time.
I don´t know about you, but this is a cracking Ladies field, also because of our Rika, who came with a bag in which she wanted to put all those presents that fans had thrown to her and luckily, she did not get what Alaine did, as for that "monster" the bag was surely to small!
Our Canadian, received a very special gift, a big dinosaur, which I believe was even taller than her, what a lovely gift I love the creativity of fans, they always come up with such cool ideas and I am sure, there is a story behind it, maybe she likes big boys... I mean that was a male dinosaur right?
Anyways, enough of the chatter, but mind you one last word, let us send a big hug to our Japanese Yuka Nagai, as that was really tough and I so hope, she can come back tomorrow and give us all that big smile that she had last season, when she won at Oberstdorf and damn, did Rika work those steps and our Satoko spin fast, the best Layback all night, she might not gain a lot of height and was punished today, but she is a darling isn't she?

But now it´s really enough, ice Dance time!

Thanks Ladies for your skates and sorry about so much nonsense today, but I was smiling a lot today, thanks to you!

 

[[email protected]]

Kaetlyn's video on a Russian youtube channel has 22 likes and 26 dislikes. lol. Many commenters raging about "unbelievable inflation". Oh, to be one of those pathetic butthurt haters. Need I remind them about a certain competition in Sochi?

I understand what you said but what you were trying to say? The Russians are bad and evil, they are unfair, etc.? What about death threats to Sotnikova? What about zealous looking at whatever issues Medvedeva has, really or just in the imagination of some fans and not at some obscur board but here at GS?

 

[Daniel1998]

I understand what you said but what you were trying to say? The Russians are bad and evil, they are unfair, etc.? What about death threats to Sotnikova? What about zealous looking at whatever issues Medvedeva has, really or just in the imagination of some fans and not at some obscur board but here at GS?

My apologies if it sounded like I was making a pointed insult at Russians. It's just one country out of many in the world that has fans who are hypocritical. It seems that for many, overscoring due to home cooking is great when it happens to our own skaters and terrible when it happens to other skaters at other events. In my opinion Osmond wasn't overscored today, and even if she was, so what? It's her home event, this kind of thing happens in my country and yours. It's not worth getting angry about, especially when everyone benefits from it anyway. Just saddened that so many fans in the figure skating world seem to operate based on hate and anger and that it clouds their clear judgment.

 

[[email protected]]

I guess I don't understand why some Russians hate Kaetlyn so much.
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I don't understand why some Americans and Canadians hate Medvedeva so much. She was terrific tonight. I am the Russian and I enjoyed Kaethlyn btw. May be her tech was a bit over the top but knowing that Gracie had 76 in America I don't see a crime of clean Osmond getting 74 in Canada. She is a beautiful skater.

 

[Daniel1998]

I don't understand why some Americans and Canadians hate Medvedeva so much. She was terrific tonight. I am the Russian and I enjoyed Kaethlyn btw. May be her tech was a bit over the top but knowing that Gracie had 76 in America I don't see a crime of clean Osmond getting 74 in Canada. She is a beautiful skater.

Some Americans hate Medvedeva because they claim she's "boring and repetitive" with her jumps and choreography.
I don't know, repetitive jumps sound kind of awesome to me if you're repetitively landing them properly.
I think it's more out of frustration that American skaters can't seem to deliver when it's needed. I'm Canadian and amazed at what Medvedeva is able to put out day after day. Even if there is validity to the statement that she reuses some choreography, there's no denying she's a special talent.

 

[klutzonice]

I just guessed that was why she doesn't jump higher. That what she does is just doing the best with what her body can do. Some things can't be forced, but I'm not an expert so if you say that has nothing to do with it, idk what it is.

She used to jump clockwise, but was pushed to jump counterclockwise by her coach when she was younger. So she's jumping against her natural direction, which may be a factor. I don't have a source in English but if you Google translate this one: https://web.archive.org/web/2013012...p/column/shirota/news/20120126-OHT1T00143.htm you might get some idea.

 

[skatelikewind1966]

Consistency? That is the exact opposite of how a sport is supposed to be judged. The ladies should ALWAYS be judged by what they do on the ice on the day. That is not always the case, but frankly it's sad that it's not. We should CELEBRATE the fact that a great performance was properly rewarded without a skater having to wait their turn or put in a year of clean skates first. Judging by past results is exactly how the system SHOULD NOT work.

But "consistency" is super important, obviously, to be considered a tier 1 athlete and FS is no different than any other sport.

Skaters who can consistently show they are capable of doing certain elements will earn that "reputation" and be given the benefit of the doubt when certain elements are not at that "standard". Kind of like a cy young pitcher getting a close pitch called a strike or a legendary DB not getting called for interference when he pulls the recievers arm.

 

[Skinny80]

I have better joke. One person broke the world record cheatin' and pretend to know how to make lutz.

Yes, evgenia is very consistent. In every way. Especially In doing flutzes

I dont think there's more americans and canadaians hating Evgenia than russians Osmond. Russians think that when their skaters get high scores, they are always deserved, but when some skater from other country get high one either , they think it is mostly overscored.Scores of their skater are always justified, they cannot see any mistakes in their athletes. Others are always overscored by judges and "home cooked"

 

[[email protected]]

I have better joke. One person broke the world record cheatin' and pretend to know how to make lutz.

Yes, evgenia is very consistent. In every way. Especially In doing flutzes

I dont think there's more americans and canadaians hating Evgenia than russians Osmond. Russians think that when their skaters get high scores, they are always deserved, but when some skater from other country get high one either , they think it is mostly overscored.Scores of their skater are always justified, they cannot see any mistakes in their athletes. Others are always overscored by judges and "home cooked"

Boy, get a life, really.

 

[skatelikewind1966]

Coaches and skaters choreograph programs to hide weakness and highlight strengths.

Certain jumps require certain edges and to make it more difficult to see with the naked eye or camera replay, coaches and skaters position these jumps at certain angles and location on the ice to once again, hide weaknesses and highlight strengths.

I'm not a fan of the current judging system but it is what it is, at least for now.

 

[Skinny80]

Actually i have a very good one,thank you I could tell you the same,buddy. Thats my observation and thruth

 

[da96103]

'Lil Bet (Tursynbaeva) with a quad Salchow FTW :dance2:

https://twitter.com/noenoe28/status/779352840313589760?lang=es

Miki Ando finally getting a friend?