2019-20 Russian Ladies' Figure Skating

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https://twitter.com/sashawitchproj/status/1117808027908890624?s=21

Team Tutberidze

BTW if you look closely, you will see that not only Alina, but also 3As and Alyona Kanysheva are each holding one little girl.

 

[Fluture]

BTW if you look closely, you will see that not only Alina, but also 3As and Alyona Kanysheva are each holding one little girl.

You‘re right! I didn‘t notice that before. Cute.

 

[PiggytailProdigy]

Obvously, Tarakanova is on probation at Snow Leopards. I have read on this board it is highly unusual for skaters to switch rinks during the season, unless serious issues arise.
We still don't know why Kanysheva has left Snow Leopards?

Much now depends on Panova and her team to work on the psychology part of including a new member to their rank of charges. Clear agreements must be made between the head of training staff and Tarakanova, evaluations planned, sanctions/punishment/praise/rewards agreed on and imposed if necessary.
Snow Leopards don't want a troublemaker/headcase amongst their skaters with so many young prospects in their charge.

It won't be the first time nor the last that a skater will be removed from the ranks when there is an incompatibility that cannot be overcome.

If Anastasiya can be made comfortable and confident again under Panova, she will be a most welcome addition to the Snow Leopards.

About Snow Leopards, who is the strongest trainer around, the one that will handle the 'fishing rod' when the skaters learn triples and quads? With the current state and progress of Russian figure skating, Anastasiya will have to learn those elements when she wants to compete with the best?
With the other same age girl skaters at Snow Leopards, she will be more able to hide in the pack?

I think it's too much to say that Nastya is a headcase/troublemaker. Lots of kids cry and get mad in the rink cuz they have high expectations for themselves (even zagitova shcherbakova and trusova cry at training).

 

[Alexz]

?? I haven‘t translated the article, maybe I should... What‘s going on?

Edit: I just read it via google translate and it‘s... wow, I‘m a bit shocked. That‘s not nice to reveal all those problems Nastya faced. Like, come on, just say that there were problems with communication and the decision was reached that working together wouldn’t be possible anymore, we don‘t need to know all the details! She is a teenager, they are emotional and honestly, it didn‘t seem like an attitude issue from what I read. More like she was overwhelmed and scared of trying 3A and quads and stuff like that. Whatever it is, this doesn‘t set a good light on her and I‘m disappointed. I’m by no means a supporter of Buyanova but she handled the issue with Sotskova in a classy way. Seems like we can‘t have an off-season without coaching change drama...

Well. We can see the difference between real coaches and an "instagram-coach".

One can refer to the recent interviews by Zagi and Danii G. Long story short: it is not easy to find a right approach to a rebelious subconsciousness of a teenager. They usually all are emotional, revolting and experiencing wild mood swings. Dani and Alina discribed pretty well in broad terms how much did this WC title cost them last season. They had a lot of talks and struggle during the season, at the end they find a right mind trick. Gold WC medal and Grand Slam of titles. Here is a hard undeniable proof.

Per Danii's words their psychologist of the group is Eteri herself. She is 45 years old now and is a mother herself, she has a teen age daughter after all. She seems to understand teenagers. Im no fan of Buyanova, but she seems to be a wise woman too, althougth the artistic taste and packaging in her group are really outdated. She is like what 10 years older than Eteri? Well.. that shows, I guess. Plushy is exactly my age. He is just starting and have never raised any good skater yet. He was THE great skater himself, but as a coach he needs to start from the very bottom. Remember "the moment you step down the podium you are nobody and you need to prove yourself again. Your previous medals wont help you". Hmmm, I wonder who said that not too recently?

Simply put, I guess, Plushy is not ready to coach elite skaters. And Tarakanova is the elite skater. She has a talent and a strong potential. Judging by Plushy's words (and results) his idea of coaching is "just go out there and jump tripple axels, and dont you dare to cry if you pop a jump, because you scaring the kids which parents pay me a lot of money, and I just do another post on instagram how I am bossing my artisitc accents around". That and some more instagram gradually posted along from archive from months ago. His coaching instagram posts are seems to be more about himself and his kid. He needs to set his phone aside, roll up his sleves and start actual coaching. Like Eteri when she was at her 30s back in 2000s. Plushy is in his mid 30s now.

Those remarks by Plushy today? Oh well. Plushy always was great at self-promoting, but he is failing now at establishing himself as a good coach and his recent quotes are not helping his reputation either. And their little smear campaign with his assistant Volkov against Trusova and Eteri's group was not an act of class either. Many folks in Russia were shaking heads and turning their backs on Plushy's coaching potential after that. People of fs community is not considering him as a good coach, at least at this moment. Unlikely any Russian big jumping specialist will be willing to coloborate and help him now. Eteri went through a lot of other students and her own mistakes before she grew Shelepen and Medvedeva and polished Lipnitskaya to Olympic level. We actually never saw her throwing stones at her colleages. Neither at Russian, nor at foreign ones. This woman clearly understands and respects corporation ethics. On another hand she was brutally honest about her ex-students in the past too. I guess this is something they have in common. But most definately Plushy is not ready to be an elite coach just yet. He needs to grow someone like Medvedeva at least first. And that is 50 hours a week job with 4-5 hours of ice work every day. For 11 years straight (as in particular Eteri+Medvedeva case). And 11 years of supporting students at their competitions, for starters.

I need yet to chat with my old Moscow buddies how they feel about all that. But unlikely the mood among their circles is very favourable to Plushy now. Sorry Plushy's fans, but this is how it is atm. I love a lot of old Plushy's programs myself, but I yet to see him giving a serious coaching to his students. He started to pormote himself as rather elite coach too agressively too soon. Like 5-7 years too soon. Zero experience so far.

 

[Alexz]

Sofia Akatieva 3A3T
https://twitter.com/Paradox_Annette/status/1117799846050762753?s=19

Oh, well. Eterianian again. Why I'm not even surprised any more.

Some coaches are doing a lot of instagram-coaching, some coaches are doing a lot of promises and interviews about their family-like environment, and some coaches are actually teaching their kids an actual figure skating. Jumps are are a big part and one of the most exciting part of figure skating.

Is Sofia Olympic-eligible? Is she a threat to our Alysa Liu?

 

[DanseMacabre]

Oh, well. Eterianians again. Why I'm not even surprised any more.

Some coaches are doing a lot of instagram-coaching, some coaches are doing a lot of promises and interviews about their family-like environment, and some coaches are actually teaching their kids an actual figure skating. Jumps are are a big part and one of the most exciting part of figure skating.

Is Sofia Olympic-eligible? Is she a threat to our Alysa Liu?

Sofia was born July 7, 2007, so she won't be eligible for Beijing '22.

 

[Alexz]

Sofia was born July 7, 2007, so she won't be eligible for Beijing '22.

Thats a shame. So the World title at post-Olimpic season? Oh, whom am I kidding. We will have Liza Tuktik for thal all over again.

 

[SkateSkates]

She is not junior eligible for 2 more seasons. Missed the cutoff by 8 days for 20/21 season.

 

[BossT]

Sofia AKATJEVA - 3A+3T, practice (04/2019)
https://youtu.be/Zo4kXRfuaYY

 

[dunffvanstorn]

I think Tarakanova’s biggest problem at Pluschenko’s camp was that she didn’t have older skaters/same age skaters to skate with. Imagine you (a junior) being the oldest skater at a rink full of babies. You won’t push yourself as hard as if you would with more “competition” (not necessarily competition, but older/mature skaters, who are better than you). She had no one to push her up, she was the top skater there, and just because of her age. Imagine at TCC, Yuzu, Zhenya, Javier (before) and Jason and Jun skating together. At Sambo, 3As, Alina, and all the brilliant skaters there. And now, at Angels of Pluschenko, skating with babies...

 

[moriel]

I personally, once more, doubt Plushy's abilities.
He is very PR driven, but has to yet show some good results. So far, all the top skaters who went there didnt last, and all left with negative comments from Plushy himself.

 

[TheBallerina]

I just hope for some stability for Nastya, and good programs for next season, programs that will be able to highlight her passion, amazing grit and skating skills. All this emotion, all this passion need to be channeled properly, and I think this is what Eteri's team did when Nastya was with them. Panova can have a big chance next season, with both Nastya and Ksusha as main contenders in the JGP circuit, but we still need to see how the off-season will work out for them.

Also...Sofia, just wow! :eeking: This girl is incredible, and what a huge potential she still has, both technical and artistical! :luv17:

 

[Grin]

From the way things are going right now... she‘ll probably make her junior debut with a 4 quad and 3 3A layout... That kid‘s 11, isn‘t she? Will she even be eligible for Juniors in two seasons?

Yes, she is 11 (07.07.2007).

 

[Fluture]

Yes, she is 11 (07.07.2007).

Well, that‘s just crazy then. Because from what I remember, she‘s not only a little jumping bean (for a 11 year old at least) but also had a wonderful program at this Russian Ice TV show. It will be interesting to see her junior debut.

 

[Grin]

Well, that‘s just crazy then. Because from what I remember, she‘s not only a little jumping bean (for a 11 year old at least) but also had a wonderful program at this Russian Ice TV show. It will be interesting to see her junior debut.

Eteri has plenty of very talented novice skaters (Zhilina, Akatieva, Valieva, etc)

 

[maggieanne]

I’ll be honest, I was uneasy when I heard that Nastya was switching to Plushenko. I think he could become a really good coach, but coaching definitely doesn’t seem to be his priority at this point in his life. So I’m disappointed, but not surprised, that it didn’t work out. Definitely crossing my fingers that things go well with Panova.

 

[Alex65]

Eteri has plenty of very talented novice skaters (Zhilina, Akatieva, Valieva, etc)

Akateva and Zilina will become juniors in 2 years. They should replace Valieva and co. This is the youngest generation of Eteri girls on the horizon. Of course, it is too early to talk about something concrete, but for me they are the next xXx after Trusova and Shcherbakova. Their talent and potential are already unprecedented. And they will have the advantage to rely on the experience of growing up 3A.

 

[Happy Skates]

well jeez, Plushenko dumped Tarakanova right before her birthday because she was freaking out over doing extremely difficult jumps? Thats harsh. Sounds to me like he's the one who is immature and over-emotional. I hope Panova decides to take Tarakanova, she could use a top junior now that Kanysheva has left.

 

[Scott512]

Well. We can see the difference between real coaches and an "instagram-coach".

One can refer to the recent interviews by Zagi and Danii G. Long story short: it is not easy to find a right approach to a rebelious subconsciousness of a teenager. They usually all are emotional, revolting and experiencing wild mood swings. Dani and Alina discribed pretty well in broad terms how much did this WC title cost them last season. They had a lot of talks and struggle during the season, at the end they find a right mind trick. Gold WC medal and Grand Slam of titles. Here is a hard undeniable proof.

Per Danii's words their psychologist of the group is Eteri herself. She is 45 years old now and is a mother herself, she has a teen age daughter after all. She seems to understand teenagers. Im no fan of Buyanova, but she seems to be a wise woman too, althougth the artistic taste and packaging in her group are really outdated. She is like what 10 years older than Eteri? Well.. that shows, I guess. Plushy is exactly my age. He is just starting and have never raised any good skater yet. He was THE great skater himself, but as a coach he needs to start from the very bottom. Remember "the moment you step down the podium you are nobody and you need to prove yourself again. Your previous medals wont help you". Hmmm, I wonder who said that not too recently?

Simply put, I guess, Plushy is not ready to coach elite skaters. And Tarakanova is the elite skater. She has a talent and a strong potential. Judging by Plushy's words (and results) his idea of coaching is "just go out there and jump tripple axels, and dont you dare to cry if you pop a jump, because you scaring the kids which parents pay me a lot of money, and I just do another post on instagram how I am bossing my artisitc accents around". That and some more instagram gradually posted along from archive from months ago. His coaching instagram posts are seems to be more about himself and his kid. He needs to set his phone aside, roll up his sleves and start actual coaching. Like Eteri when she was at her 30s back in 2000s. Plushy is in his mid 30s now.

Those remarks by Plushy today? Oh well. Plushy always was great at self-promoting, but he is failing now at establishing himself as a good coach and his recent quotes are not helping his reputation either. And their little smear campaign with his assistant Volkov against Trusova and Eteri's group was not an act of class either. Many folks in Russia were shaking heads and turning their backs on Plushy's coaching potential after that. People of fs community is not considering him as a good coach, at least at this moment. Unlikely a lot of Russiam big jumping specialists will be willing to coloborate and help him now. Eteri went through a lot of other students and her own mistakes before she grew Shelepen and Medvedeva and polished Lipnitskaya to Olympic level. We actually never saw her throwing stones at her colleages. On another hand she was brutally honest about her ex-students too. I guess this is something they have in common. But most definately Plushy is not ready to be an elite coach just yet. He needs to grow someone like Medvedeva at least first. And that is 50 hours a week job with 4-5 hours of ice work every day. For 11 years (in Etero+Medvedeva case). And 11 years of supporting students at their competitions, for starters.

I need yet to chat with my old Moscow buddies how they feel about all that. But unlikely the mood among their circles is very favourable to Plushy now. Sorry Plushy's fans, but this is how it is atm. I love a lot of old Plushy's programs myself, but I yet to see him giving a serious coaching to his students. He started to pormoting himself as rather elite coach too agressively too soon. Like 5-7 years too soon. Zero experience so far.

What did Plushenko a living legend say about up-and-comers Nastya and Sasha and E.G.? And how does plushyfan feel about this ?

 

[Alexz]

What did Plushenko a living legend say about up-and-comers Nastya and Sasha and E.G.? And how does plushyfan feel about this ?

Living legend has spoken: https://pbs.twimg.com/media/D4NMe8jXkAUgyFn?format=jpg&name=medium

As for Sasha and Eteri camp that was months ago.