To me also the team approach sounds pretty reasonable (and in fact this also disproves the imaginations of Eteri and her team forcing skaters into the hardest elements, exhausting them etc.). I understand that when it didn't work out at Europeans Sasha felt it wasn't right but I bet in a long-tem process this would pay off.
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To me also the team approach sounds pretty reasonable (and in fact this also disproves the imaginations of Eteri and her team forcing skaters into the hardest elements, exhausting them etc.). I understand that when it didn't work out at Europeans Sasha felt it wasn't right but I bet in a long-tem process this would pay off.
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I believe Sasha simply doesn't think that far or that deep. And neither do her parents. Her dad is a boxer.
I think she wants to jump and she likes having WR and to stand out cause that's all she's ever known. And apparently the people who surround her unfortunately fire her on in this sentiment. So of course when Sambo tired to tune it down, she couldn't process the "why".
I just hope her body will not give up on her before 2022 and/or that her new coaches and parents realize that this is not the way
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I also said it at that time i actually found the teams approach reasonable because either it was one time or zero were in an i international competition she cleanly jumped a 4 quad programm last season let alone the 5 quad routine. But as we have seen in her video were the team showed her routine in training she could actually do it with 5 quads.
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4T from another skater from Davydov's camp.
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Well if she only wants to jump and limiting her quads/jumping was the reason for the break with Eteri then I would think that she and/or her parents would have discussed that with Plushenko prior to agreeing to skate with him. I doubt the coaches at Sambo were attempting to hold her back, but more likely limit the wear and tear on her body, and focus on going clean and improving other aspects of her programs (example Shcherbakova). But if this is what she wants to do then she's going to go to a coach that's going to let her have control over that, and should she succeed and be able to win all her competitions then she'll likely go down as 1 of the greatest technical revolutionaries of the sport....If she fails and injures herself or wears her body down and it costs her the chance at big titles or the Olympics she will only have herself to blame and I don't think her current coach based on past behavior will try to deflect any blame from her.
You should provide a link where she says “Aliona was a nobody before me, I taught her everything she knows” or else those are empty words.
Anna left out on the street? Come on, Jesus Christ
The rest is just pure nonsense, oh man.
Russian parents DO pay for the sport in Russia up until a certain age. Fed requires certain level to be achieved by the athlete before they can give funding to that athlete, it’s not free for everyone.
YOU should provide a link where I said that "it was free for everyone", or else "those are empty words" (your words, not mine) ! I never said that in Russia it was free for EVERYONE.
Are you completely distorting my statements on purpose...?
Apparently, I have to start explaining from the beginning.
In Russia, there are commercial groups at many skating clubs where a child can start skating at 2 or 3 or whatever; their parents would have to PAY for that. Once the child reaches a certain age / level - which is NOT the same thing, by the way - he can apply to a state-sponsored sports school. Or, in case he doesn't want to or hasn't reached the required level of skills - he can keep skating at the commercial club and keep paying for that.
Once the young athlete has been accepted to the state-sponsored sports school - he doesn't have to pay for the ice time and coaching at an hourly/monthly rate. Tutberidze's senior national level girls don't pay her for coaching at an hourly rate. Whereas, as we all know very well, the system in the U.S. and Canada, for example, is very different. Brian Orser has openly stated that he gets paid at an hourly rate, including by the Russian skater Medvedeva.
Again, I'm NOT saying that Russian somewhat-accomplished athletes pay for nothing at all out of their own pocket. Inna Goncharenko once said that Elena Radionova's parents always had to pay for ADDITIONAL stuff, which wasn't provided by that state-sponsored school/club. Additional choreography, off-ice training, maybe rehab etc. That's how Goncharenko explained some of the coaching changes - that not every time the athlete is unhappy with the coach in particular and that's why he leaves; he may be looking for better conditions - a school/club where more stuff is available without additional charges. I'm saying that the somewhat-accomplished athletes at state-sponsored sports schools/clubs don't pay for the MAIN part of the training.
...which leads us to the next topic, the infamous "podkatki" (RUS "подкатки"). It's a common practice that young skaters who (/whose parents) feel that they don't have enough ice time at their school/club and/or enough of the coach's attention, they can take additional lessons, possibly at another ice rink, with another coach. Of course, they have to pay for that. In fact, it's rather common that the parents of very young Russian skaters complain on the web about coaches pressuring them into these additional lessons - because for many of them that's a wonderful source of additional income.
And this is where it gets interesting... Does Eteri Tutberidze allow HER skaters to have these "podkatki" - additional lessons with another coach ? She does NOT. NEITHER does she agree to offer more individual attention to this or that skater. In other words, if you skate at Sambo-70 and Tutberidze ignores you - you are screwed ! You can't get more attention out of her, at any cost, NEITHER are you allowed to look for help outside of Sambo-70, in case you need help with the triples or whatever.
... which leads us to - what happened with Trusova & Kostornaia ?! And also with Medvedeva after the Olympics, when she reportedly wanted an outside choreographer. Personally, I don't think that for a 2-time World Champion, Olympic silver medalist who has skated in seniors for 3 seasons - that it's such a scandalous and unacceptable request to make... Sure, Sambo-70 had no obligation to pay for this, but neither did Tutberidze have the right to blow up and reprimand Medvedeva in national media for making such a request.
We don't know yet what exactly happened with Trusova & Kostornaia - they both said that they wanted more INDIVIDUAL attention. We don't know if they meant more attention from Tutberidze in particular or (also) someone from outside Sambo-70. But if they meant simply Tutberidze - apparently it's not possible to get even that... Again, in case Kostornaia as the currently leading ladies skater in the world who needs to prepare for the Olympics in 18 months time - if she asked for a 30 minutes private x 3 times a week (that's a speculation !), would it really be sooo outrageous and inappropriate ?
Finally, regarding Anna Shcherbakova and kicking her "out on street"... Yes, I'm intentionally being dramatic - because it's ridiculous. Like I explicitly explained above - once a skater has reached a level where she gets accepted to a state-sponsored sports school, her parents shouldn't have to pay for everything-EVERYTHING out of their own pocket anymore. Anna clearly had reached that level - otherwise she wouldn't have been accepted at Sambo-70 to begin with, right ? Then, when all of the coaches at Sambo-70 decide that they don't have the time to deal with her - she should have the option to KEEP SKATING and get the help from someone from the outside who has the time for her (for a certain $$), so she can fix her triples and become interesting for Tutberidze's team again. Or, she should have the option to go to another state-sponsored sports school/club, maybe a bit lower level, where a somewhat less prominent coach would work with her. Wouldn't either one of these options be simply FAIR ??
But here's the problem - she was left stuck, with NEITHER one of these 2 options. Because, like I said, Tutberidze doesn't allow anyone from her group to take additional lessons from outside coaches. If you want to work with someone else, you have to leave completely. No group ice time at Sambo any more, no off-ice training, no nothing. Neither could Anna switch to another school/club because she was kicked out outside of the so-called "transfer window". There was no state-sponsored place for her anywhere, because for regular skaters the transfer window is taken seriously. Her state-sponsored place was left behind her at Sambo until next April 1. Until this date, her only option to skate AT ALL was - for her parents to pay for everything. Which I don't think was fair.
I totally agree. The 5 quad thingy clearly wasn't working. The sensible thing to do was to concentrate on a clean skate and all the other elements too.
I fear now, that Sasha will go all in again, and that she might injure herself...
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I totally agree. The 5 quad thingy clearly wasn't working. The sensible thing to do was to concentrate on a clean skate and all the other elements too.
I fear now, that Sasha will go all in again, and that she might injure herself...
I think it might have worked, but it would’ve taken more time to stabilize that content.
She probably could’ve skated that content clean at worlds, but then when it didn’t happen, it left a sour aftertaste in her mouth after the season ended so abruptly and then the fact that she wasn’t able to try this content again after GPF left her upset.
Yeah... feels like in the end they all were on different pages.
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And if she lost trust in her coach, and didn’t trust her layout, that would make the problems worse...I understand where she’s coming from, even if it’s not the approach I personally agree with.
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Seriously, lady, you need to do more research before adding your own details to things you happen to know bare minimum about.
First off, you were heavily implying that Anna was already state-funded at that point. This is where the “it’s not free for everyone” comes from.
Do we know for sure that Anna at that point was on government funding? Do we know that it wasn’t decided between parents and Eteri as the best choice for Anna? Do we even know parents didn’t have choice to go to other school? Novices switch inbetween schools pretty easily, and especially private schools.
Just last year junior Anna Frolova switched coaches mid-season, it would be much easier for Anna S. to go to any other coach than it was for Anna Frolova, since Anna S. was a novice back then.
That’s a lot of speculation you’re making, and frankly, just like your previous post about Julia, you add too many details that are entirely speculative, just because you want to make everything more sinister and more dramatic.
IF Anna’s parents felt like Anna was being simply thrown out on the street, would you honestly think they would still go to Tutberidze again? They’re pretty well off and not desperate for any funding, and seem to base their decisions entirely on what’s best for Anna, especially since they never actually wanted Anna to become an athlete, but rather study like her older sister.
This whole discussion is entirely pointless and tiring. Your whole post just repeats something I’ve already mentioned, so I’m not even seeing any point in discussing this further.
In the beginning I heard that one main reason for Sasha's departure was that she didn't get enough attention from the coaches.
Now we are getting more information, this time from Sasha herself, that one of the main reasons she left Eteri was because they had different opinions/plans on jumping quads. It's good to hear from the skaters themselves (whether their thinking is correct or not - a separate topic)
I just read this (https://www.sports.ru/figure-skating/1087598770.html):
Evgeni Plushenko: “We work a lot with Trusova on gliding and artistry. What was missing - everyone knows it "
It seems that Plushenko agrees with many posters here as well - jumping quads is not all. Is this what the old group had been trying to do all along?
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True.:yes: But if I want to be honest I have doubts about other parts of coaching work because the technical knowledge is there.
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I said it, too. Look at the Hungarian swimming sport's succes. So many OG champions compared to the number of citizens and the number of swimmers. That started in the 80's with Tamás Darnyi, Norbert Rózsa, József Szabó, Attila Czene... Their coach was Tamás Szécsy. He couldn't swim.
Maybe but we are talking about Plushenko. His confidence in the sky.
Probably he knows what he did for the girls in Eteri team and he thought it is the time had come to a courageous step
We will see. With this logic Lambiel couldn't be such important skaters's coach. :no: No one worries about them.
So, Alyona is training in Volkov's group.
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The topic of contracts for athletes, which Flanker so persistently promotes, is what Tutberidze's mad fanatics have been shouting about in these latter days on social networks and the media. For some reason, only fanatical fans of this particular coach are so worried that underage girls have the freedom to change coaches and build their own sports career. A lot of non-FS arguments are drawn to this issue, just to justify the greedy coach's desire to receive devidends from his athletes, present and past. But none of them speaks about the responsibility of the coach to the athlete. At all!
For some reason, no one remembers that in Russia sports are funded by the state, coaches receive salaries from the state and simply must, like any civil servant, conscientiously fulfill their duties.
As it was said in the film: "If the coach does not succeed, he can always try with another athlete, but the athlete has only one attempt for life and career." So who needs more protection?
For some reason, no one remembers that in Russia sports are funded by the state, coaches receive salaries from the state and simply must, like any civil servant, conscientiously fulfill their duties.
As it was said in the film: "If the coach does not succeed, he can always try with another athlete, but the athlete has only one attempt for life and career." So who needs more protection?
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This isn't surprising at all. It's Plushenko's Academy, not Rozanov's. He (Plush) is supposed to be the main coach.
If the skaters' achieve something, he will receive the credit for it and if they don't do well, it will also be on him, just like in other groups.
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Yes that information got out yesterday but while she is skating at the same time as volkovs group , her trainer is rozanov at least that is what the information given yesterday said
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I remember that interview it was so nice but I don't remember aliona saying that but she did. She changed during the pandemic. It really is unfathomable to think that someone who was one mistake away from having an unbeaten debut season would want to change coaches especially how she's always complimenting her coaches at Sambo 70. I hope Alena is happy in her new surroundings. But the fact is she and Sasha won't be on the ice at the same time is bewildering and annoying.Yes, here
And during time they all, made commets about fun and jokes during training, so it's not like "in other teams there is light, fun and perfect relations, while in Eteri's labour camp everyone is frowning, there is dark all around etc."
I like your point about the coaches receiving a payment that would help them raise a new talent. Sure eteri still has Alina Anna kamila and others coming up but you cannot in any way shape or form replace Sasha Supergirl and alena of the most beautiful skater in the world with the best triple axel. Until she lost it during the pandemic.topic:
No, I am not an agnostic, those are the people who are too lazy for the morning mass but are not bold enough to openly say "I don't believe", so they are always something in between. Nothing that should surprise you, my nation is probably the most religiously lukewarm in the world
I believe it works in a similar way in team sports there just like here. It just prevents the situation where the local clubs would serve just as reserves for the big team in the big cities. It could actually help local FS federations in Russia (if such system is not applied there already) that if a young kid goes to train to a team inn a big city (incl. eteri's team), they would get some payment for it that would help them to raise a new talent.
Parents are desperate to get their kids to EG so maybe she can get something in writing from the parents in the future. I thought EG would be super bitter with aliona leaving after the transfer period and try to stop it legally through their fed. But she won't and Alena will be in her new surroundings with her favorite tech coach.
Who thought losing Rozanov would lead to so many key losses for EG?
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Another weak warm up
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Eteri's feelings may be understandable, but her statements (if those are in fact her statements) are not excusable.
Coaches should act like adults, not like jilted teenagers.
And the "I walked to school twelve miles barefoot in the snow uphill both ways after chasing off bears and working sixty hours a week to keep the family farm going when I was eight years old" (yes we oldsters have those same stories in the "West") so a 16 year old should just suck it up, still doesn't excuse the coach acting like a teenager.
I just don't understand how an adult, unprovoked, or even provoked, reacts that way
Coaches should act like adults, not like jilted teenagers.
And the "I walked to school twelve miles barefoot in the snow uphill both ways after chasing off bears and working sixty hours a week to keep the family farm going when I was eight years old" (yes we oldsters have those same stories in the "West"
) so a 16 year old should just suck it up, still doesn't excuse the coach acting like a teenager.I just don't understand how an adult, unprovoked, or even provoked, reacts that way
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What do you mean by that?
I think they said something along the lines of that yesterday. Is Rozanov there? I hope he is.
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