Did S/M deserve their, 3 point higher than anyone else, PCS?
I think the PCS were OK today. Even with all the mistakes the program was there. especially in the steps.
Did S/M deserve their, 3 point higher than anyone else, PCS?
Wow chuckie, you've outdone yourself in being unable to read. Now you can't even read protocols. Since when did a 3S start looking like a 4S to you? Need I link the protocol to you? Here it is: http://www.isuresults.com/results/season1617/gprus2016/gprus2016_Men_SP_Scores.pdf
If you think a fall is the only reason one should get lower PCS then I am just feeling sorry for you. Because Savchenko/Massot had the highest PCS of the pairs event, despite both having fallen on the SBS jumps. Or does it not matter because they're not Canadian?
There’s a long way to Pyeongchang though Enough for now to focus on tech and Aliona being her great natural personality :thumbsup:
Come to think of it, do you think Robin was a better dancer?
A very surprising short programme. I never expected the big two couples to both mess up their SBS jumps, still nothing to stop them from coming first and second after the free tomorrow.
A deserved lead for Z/E. They did everything cleanly with positive GOE's across the board. He struggled slightly on his 3T and they had a loss of sync on the spins. It was funny looking at their ISU bio, they have a total of 8 different partners!!! I really liked his partnerships with Davankova and Gerboldt. I think been in the Mozer camp is good for them.
S/M will score very big if they can do this programme cleanly. Both down on the 3S and a messy landing on the Th3a but she was round. It's a very dancey routine. I'm still not convinced he is near her level but he has definitely improved. I did think he looks a bit out of a shape, he looked wrecked in the K&C. I was glad to see M/H perform well here I think they are really under pressure from DM/G for the Italian No. 1 position. This style really suits them, she looked like she had came from the Great Gatsby. I was very impressed with A/R, it's a very different style from their usual but very lyrical and they pull it off very well. She has become a little inconsistent on the jumps, she is more likely to miss than land them. This performance was improvement from SA and it is much better than the Onegin one from the test skates.
S/B made a great impression last year but I'm not a huge fan of this programme. I'm surprised the judges had them only ranked 4th on PCS, I still expect them on the podium tomorrow. Delighted to see E/K make their GP debut. They did well bar the SBS, nice throws and lifts. Never heard of the Canadian coupled but I liked what I seen, with the depth in Canada I don't see them making it to Worlds but they might get a 4CC spot? The Lithuanians are a little behind the rest of the field, trouble on the jumps and dinged on levels. It was good to see a soberly dressed Alexander Smirnov in the K&C, not quite as dazzling as in Boston.
While the top two couples didn't deliver, I enjoyed and liked the other couples. Tomorrow I expect S/M and S/B to go 1 and with possibly Z/E grabbing the final spot?
How is she too tall, she's 152cm and there's almost 30cm difference between them?
Can someone more versed in pairs please explain the protocols a little for those of us learning. Why did most of them only get L2 for their twists, for example? What made the best lifts stand out? Etc.
So, a horizontal Tano gets level raise while a vertical Tano gets GOE rewards.
I always look for people wanna know more about pair skating.
I am not an expert but I can tell you this:
Twist:
There are 5 features you can get. Every feature is one level up.
1) lady´s split position more than 45 degree
2) man´s arm under the shoulder during the twist
3) difficult entry
4) catching the lady at the waist without touching each other at the upper body
5)lady´s arm above the head during the twist
There is only one pair in the world who is going for feature 5 (Sui/Han). Sometimes the technical commitee is very strict und many pairs only get level 2. Even Savchenko/Massot got level 2 today. I am not sure why. Maybe the entry was not difficult enough and she touched his upper body during the dismount. So they only got feature 1) and 2).
Other features of a twist (height and easiness) are rewarded with the GOE.
Any questions?
Ooh, thank you. That was very clear. One question- what does count as a difficult entry then? Any recent examples?
That is questionable point. Difficult is always a technical controler´s interpretation.
Here are some level 4 twist with difficult set-up:
Volosozhar/Trankov, little steps going direcly into the twist (not sure why this is so difficult):
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y8t1F9TtOsc&t=276s
Savchenko/Szolkowy (steps too):
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=crfXhlksmtg
Scimeca/Knierim (first and only level 4 twist ever and third-highest pair skating element ever, twizzles)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jjP73710c4Y
I have also seen man touching the lady at her waist and doing a twizzle before the twist.
That is questionable point. Difficult is always a technical controler´s interpretation.
Here are some level 4 twist with difficult set-up:
Volosozhar/Trankov, little steps going direcly into the twist (not sure why this is so difficult):
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y8t1F9TtOsc&t=276s
Savchenko/Szolkowy (steps too):
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=crfXhlksmtg
Scimeca/Knierim (first and only level 4 twist ever and third-highest pair skating element ever, twizzles)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jjP73710c4Y
I have also seen man touching the lady at her waist and doing a twizzle before the twist.