They just work the system. And it pays off. Plus: Zhenya is number 1, Alina number 2. That's why they didn't give her a new long program.
And both Zhenya and Alina need to work on stretching out more and holding positions longer.
2017 CS Lombardia Trophy Ladies FS
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They just work the system. And it pays off. Plus: Zhenya is number 1, Alina number 2. That's why they didn't give her a new long program.
And both Zhenya and Alina need to work on stretching out more and holding positions longer.
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For fun, I watched Alina's FS side by side (save for the cuts added to make room for the ChSq). They sure didn't waste any time switching up the choreo. The only real change I noticed was in the second part of the step sequence, the ChSq added in, and the counter before the final 2A. And as people pointed out, she was behind the music here.
I'm glad for her win, because at least it's a clean skater with 7 lovely triples (the 3-3 was better than the SP, too), but I'm hopeful that she will clean her arms up in certain places... the biggest thing that bothered me about her PCS score is that she still feels juniorish. Technically it was definitely a senior level performance, but she didn't really do anything since WJC, and yet she gets a 5 point PCS boost. That never happens, so there must have been some heavy handed politicking on Eteri's/Russian Fed's part to get that kinda of boost.
I'm curious to see how her PCS scores hold up at IdF and CoC. The Lombardia judges were crazy generous with their PCS (see: Kostner). Wakaba's PCS was also too high IMO, but she should have been about 67 and Alina's around a 65.
I'm glad for her win, because at least it's a clean skater with 7 lovely triples (the 3-3 was better than the SP, too), but I'm hopeful that she will clean her arms up in certain places... the biggest thing that bothered me about her PCS score is that she still feels juniorish. Technically it was definitely a senior level performance, but she didn't really do anything since WJC, and yet she gets a 5 point PCS boost. That never happens, so there must have been some heavy handed politicking on Eteri's/Russian Fed's part to get that kinda of boost.
I'm curious to see how her PCS scores hold up at IdF and CoC. The Lombardia judges were crazy generous with their PCS (see: Kostner). Wakaba's PCS was also too high IMO, but she should have been about 67 and Alina's around a 65.
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I love Wakaba's FS choreo - so fast and sharp!
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No, it might mean that Alinas PCS should go down.
Alina wins in TR over Waka, by having more and really difficult ones. However, even there Waka has better quality - it's pretty related to the things she does better in SS & PE. Her edges are better, she has way more speed, she gains her speed better (Alina's bent over posture allows her to gain speed faster then she would otherwise, but it's not a 'good'/correct way to do it), she holds that speed better, she has better flow from one movement to the other where Alina often is still 'jerky', her posture is better (because not as bent over), she holds her movements and therefor alone manages to bring differences between musical highlights across better, she covers the ice better, she has a more cohesive program were Alina has a very noticeable switch between first & second half (and I'm not even that bothered by the second half, the obvious energy saving in the first is what breaks it for me), her elements are spread out more evenly (obviously). There are other things I could name, but those would be getting more subjective, so I'll leave it at that.
Overall, if I try to put it roughly in numbers - Waka should definitely be ahead by more than 1 point in SS & CH and around a point in PE & IN. I'd have Alina ahead in TR by around 1,5, so overall Waka gets 3-4 points more - 1.6 factor: ~5-6 points.
And I don't mean to 'hate' on Alina. She's a very talented girl and she skated very strong (and thankfully looked happy afterwards!). She should have had more of an advantage in TES IMO, as the TP was so lenient and Waka benefited more from it, but Waka should have had a higher PCS advantage in comparison. Different strengths.
I see your point, and i think it should be the opposite: Alina's PCS are almost on par with all the strong skaters at their first year at seniors from the past 2-3 years. (the crazy part might be the fact that she's already getting these scores at a senior b competition, but that could be also a decision by the judges to overscore everyone this year)
But Wakaba's components at WTT were higher both in the SP and the LP: granted outside that competition (which similar to Japan Open it is usually a competition where japanese skaters always receives huge scores) she didn't have a great season and i think that is why her components aren't high enough at this point.
Its pretty much a fact that during an Olympic season the scores will skyrocket across the board no matter the event or actual performance. Expect them to get even bigger with new personal bests and records happening probably at every competition this season :confused2:
True they have been inflating every season, but an Olympic season always sees a major boost. I suppose they think higher scores equals more excitement and winning over new fans who watch only every four years.
If one can get a 147 at a senior B then the judges can justify to themselves inflating even more at the gp and Olympics. Even if fans who pay attention don't buy it its likely fans who watch every four years and don't know the system well or what happens in the three seasons in between will have no problem buying it :confused2:
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LOOOOOOVED WAKABA!!!!
Powerful and fast skating and she is so into it!! She has proven that she is a strong contender for that Olympics spot!!!
So many awesome moments in the step sequence, the choreography in the classic Bond music cut, and the 2A that just seems to float UGH I AM IN LOVE!!! The GOE on the step sequence is also MASSIVE!:eeking: I absolutely must get tickets to nationals. Combo jumps seemed tight, but she still has over a month before her 1st GP and she is ready to slay it!
Dang Alina. You just look at her protocols and see almost every single element with over +1 GOE and gotta hand it to her.:shocked: There's no beating her on the TES side even if you disagree with her PCS. I wasn't actually really a fan of this program last year (I really want to see her skate a non-ballet program!) and still am not really because it just looks so busy to me, but I have to clap my hands for her for the insane difficulty and how she manages to go clean so often with it.
I also hate how they mute out all other sounds except the music.
I want to hear the sounds of their blades on ice, the landings, and the claps and cheers, what gives.
Overall, great job from the skaters, but I'm max annoyed with the organizers of the event for the outrageous ticket prices, awful camerawork, and weird sound thing. First in line for a truckload of complaints coming their way are the judges who inflated this event and it's so noticeable when you compare the scores here to the ones given at the US international which is also a senior B event. Quads and 3As are not what are killing figure skating, it's awful promotion work, lack of easily accessible legal streaming places and the judges/tech specialists giving GOE and PCS like candy because ~hype~. Shame on them.
Powerful and fast skating and she is so into it!! She has proven that she is a strong contender for that Olympics spot!!! So many awesome moments in the step sequence, the choreography in the classic Bond music cut, and the 2A that just seems to float UGH I AM IN LOVE!!! The GOE on the step sequence is also MASSIVE!:eeking: I absolutely must get tickets to nationals. Combo jumps seemed tight, but she still has over a month before her 1st GP and she is ready to slay it!Dang Alina. You just look at her protocols and see almost every single element with over +1 GOE and gotta hand it to her.:shocked: There's no beating her on the TES side even if you disagree with her PCS. I wasn't actually really a fan of this program last year (I really want to see her skate a non-ballet program!) and still am not really because it just looks so busy to me, but I have to clap my hands for her for the insane difficulty and how she manages to go clean so often with it.
I also hate how they mute out all other sounds except the music.
I want to hear the sounds of their blades on ice, the landings, and the claps and cheers, what gives. Overall, great job from the skaters, but I'm max annoyed with the organizers of the event for the outrageous ticket prices, awful camerawork, and weird sound thing. First in line for a truckload of complaints coming their way are the judges who inflated this event and it's so noticeable when you compare the scores here to the ones given at the US international which is also a senior B event. Quads and 3As are not what are killing figure skating, it's awful promotion work, lack of easily accessible legal streaming places and the judges/tech specialists giving GOE and PCS like candy because ~hype~. Shame on them.
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I'm not sure if I hate Carolina skating to Afternoon of a Faun or if the sound quality just sounds super dated and bad because of how they have muted everything else. She's so lovely to watch though.
I think Wakaba might have some of the best skating skills of currently competing ladies. I know there are different aspects of skating skills and different people look for different things - I don't look for transitions or too much complexity, but deep edges, great knees, and not too too much two-foot skating. Wakaba's edges and knees are stunning, to be honest. They must teach basics better in Japan, because there are no top Japanese ladies with BAD or even mediocre skating skills.
Her LP oooooozes potential. The beginning is dark and a teensy bit sexy and sly. The middle is my least favorite - stereotypical James Bond program gimmicks. Then the Adele hits and it's mournful and magnificent and dramatic, and the timing of the three-jump combo is spot on. It's a little disjointed of a program, but again, so much potential!
Alina has some of the best jumps and spins of any lady currently competing. The quality of her elements is, in general, better than Evgenia's. But keeping this junior program was a mistake. It's a fantastic junior program, but there's no story, no change of emotions, no nuance. All she has to do is land everything and smile. Which, considering the difficulty of her transitions and elements, is pretty admirable. But is it 9-10 in interpretation, for example? I don't think so. I think she's far more balletic than she was last season (but needs to ditch the tutu, as it highlights her bent back), but from an emotional standpoint, this is very much a junior program (much like Marin Honda's SP, actually).
I do appreciate this program's construction far more than I did last year, though. I think she's much better at keeping up with the music! Up until the last 30 seconds or so, where she's racing a it to keep up and I can't enjoy her movements or the choreography. Her stamina is incredible though.
I think Wakaba might have some of the best skating skills of currently competing ladies. I know there are different aspects of skating skills and different people look for different things - I don't look for transitions or too much complexity, but deep edges, great knees, and not too too much two-foot skating. Wakaba's edges and knees are stunning, to be honest. They must teach basics better in Japan, because there are no top Japanese ladies with BAD or even mediocre skating skills.
Her LP oooooozes potential. The beginning is dark and a teensy bit sexy and sly. The middle is my least favorite - stereotypical James Bond program gimmicks. Then the Adele hits and it's mournful and magnificent and dramatic, and the timing of the three-jump combo is spot on. It's a little disjointed of a program, but again, so much potential!
Alina has some of the best jumps and spins of any lady currently competing. The quality of her elements is, in general, better than Evgenia's. But keeping this junior program was a mistake. It's a fantastic junior program, but there's no story, no change of emotions, no nuance. All she has to do is land everything and smile. Which, considering the difficulty of her transitions and elements, is pretty admirable. But is it 9-10 in interpretation, for example? I don't think so. I think she's far more balletic than she was last season (but needs to ditch the tutu, as it highlights her bent back), but from an emotional standpoint, this is very much a junior program (much like Marin Honda's SP, actually).
I do appreciate this program's construction far more than I did last year, though. I think she's much better at keeping up with the music! Up until the last 30 seconds or so, where she's racing a it to keep up and I can't enjoy her movements or the choreography. Her stamina is incredible though.
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Is it wrong that I really want to call Alina "Zagi"? Is this something rude in Russian? I hope not.
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What has happened to the Live Stream Link for Saturday Coverage of the Men's FS and Ice Dance FD? The only link shows a copyright violation.
Wakaba sure had the WOW factor for me!! She didn't need the 3A to make that performance memorable--I can watch that over and over and be "wowed" each time!
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Kostner took her lovely 2011 program and ruined it. Sigh. The weirdest repeat of the season yet.
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I don't know what Zagi means in Russian but they use diminutives for the first name instead of the surname, so in this case
Alina is Alya or Alinochka.
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No one calls her Alya. Not every Alina can be Alya because there's a name Alya. Alina is Alina or Alinochka...
The 2011 program was sooooo much better. The new one is weird I agree.
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