2017 U.S. Nationals Championship Men FS

[Eislauf]

Is everyone forgetting that the "quad" in Skate America was not ratified as a quad and was underrotated???

Jason Brown has never landed a quadruple in any sort of competition.

That's sobering. IIRC, the USFSA flew in a French specialist to help Brown with his quad in 2015. And then he trained with Frank Carroll a bit last summer. I wonder whether his jumps would have been further along had he trained with Orser or Rafa? Who knows. Doesn't really matter now.

 

[el henry]

What can you say about Nathan? Still a beast. And still no LP; Borodin is *perfect* for a jumpfest, but if we're really talking OGM here.... my wild idea (and may have been said in the previous 55 pages, sorry, haven't read): Rohene. My word, if he could get at least half of Jason's performance skills to a Rohene program.

Also, sighs of pure delight at seeing Jason do so well under such tough circumstances. Talk about a steely competitor! He's the one we need at Worlds, IMHO.

And some laughed when I said three US men would finish in the top ten last year. Hahaha. Well I say Jason is our best bet with Nathan this year. And we'll see, won't we?


p.s. what happened to GS during the comp? or was that my internet? Just as well, my heart was pounding, but I do like everyone's comments

 

[Eislauf]

I think USFSA did not anticipate how quickly men's skating standards would change in the last two years and so ALL of the older US men are struggling to keep up. Even Max, who was considered one of the strong jumpers.

The problem is that it seems to be so much harder to learn new quads once you're over 20. From what I've heard of Nathan, Boyang, and Vincent, they all learned 3-4 quads within just a matter of 1-2 of years once they got the first one. Meanwhile older skaters spend many years without truly mastering any quads.

The USFSA really dropped the ball on this one. Jumps are easier to learn when you're young. Thanks goodness for our new crop of teenage senior stars and the juniors behind them.

 

[karne]

The "UR" call on Jason's quad at SkAm was bogus and everyone knows it - especially since Adam's extremely UR quad was called clean. I count it as clean.

Really. You guys want to dump the responsibility for three Worlds spots on two kids? One of whom has never even had a single international competition as a Senior? (Shall we remember how that worked for Russia?)

 

[topaz emerald]

Even though Raf coaches Adam and Ashley too Nathan has always been his prize pupil you can just see it. He sees an Olympic champion.

how old was nathan when Raf started coaching him?

I haven't watched the Men's free yet.....

 

[el henry]

Also, since I'm late to the party:

Jordan, so impressive after the injury. Top ten. Woot!

Sean Rabbitt, gotta love him. At least I do!:agree:

And Grant. Fourth again! He and Caroline made each other proud this comp.

I do love our men at US Nats:yes:

 

[Skater Boy]

Jason is exquisite. I am glad he is podiumed. But with the quad craze no one can beat Nathan. I am not sure I feel all that great about that. Adn wow for Vincent.

I know Jason is one of the faves of many on this site and for good reason - charming and likeable- just love and adore him. They want him to go to worlds. But a good argument can be made Vincent earned his spot and if Vincent doesn't go to be consistent an argument could be made that Mariah shouldn't be sent and Mirai should go. I am just saying that Jason should be very very grateful. I know he is the better chance = perhaps Usa is more cut throat and know despite bad or not the best skates at nats send your strongest team to earn spots. Canada could learn - I remember reading about the history of Canada skating where their hope for a world medal Josee Chouinard skated badly and the bland and two foot queen jennifer robinson won and they sent her. Jennifer wasn't even in the top 15. Josee on her personality would easily be in the top 15. such is life. But I kind of feel bad for Mirai.

 

[karne]

I know Jason is one of the faves of many on this site and for good reason - charming and likeable- just love and adore him. They want him to go to worlds. But a good argument can be made Vincent earned his spot

And an argument can equally be made the other way, that yes, Vincent won silver, but he is too young/inexperienced/doesn't even have the tech minimums to go to the pre-Olympic year Worlds.

 

[boo69]

Vincent wasn't chosen because Jason competed so soon after his recovery. They ironically got the same score in the free. They probably figure that a healthy Jason will score higher than an inexperienced Vincent. But I think that it's fantastic that there are more young Quadsters coming up the ranks.

They should send Vincent to Worlds to get international experience, so that Olympics won't be his first international experience besides the Grand Prix Series.

 

[bobbob]

The "UR" call on Jason's quad at SkAm was bogus and everyone knows it - especially since Adam's extremely UR quad was called clean. I count it as clean.

Really. You guys want to dump the responsibility for three Worlds spots on two kids? One of whom has never even had a single international competition as a Senior? (Shall we remember how that worked for Russia?)

Jason's was UR, there was lots of discussion but it was clearly UR. Not saying Adam's wasn't but just because Adam's was called clean doesn't mean Jason landed his cleanly, they have nothing to do with each other. In any event, does anyone have any practice footage of Jason landing a clean quad? I have never seen him land any sort of fully-rotated quad anywhere.

I don't think age is really the issue here, maybe Vincent's international experience is lacking but I do think there should have been a longer and more thought out decision process then simply saying Vincent "can't go b/c of min TES score" even though there are clearly ways around it.

 

[Dee4707]

Rohene. My word, if he could get at least half of Jason's performance skills to a Rohene program.

Rohene is choreographing for several of the skaters and yet he is not given the credit he deserves.

Nathan!!!

 

[TontoK]

I forgot to mention how impressed I was with young Torgeshev.

By next season, I think he'll be in the mix for a podium.

The torch has been passed to a new generation.

 

[moonvine]

Sean Rabbitt, gotta love him. At least I do!:agree:

Me too! He is a blast to watch!

 

[Mathman]

p.s. what happened to GS during the comp? or was that my internet? Just as well, my heart was pounding, but I do like everyone's comments

Was the site down? I wasn't on line because I was watching on TV. But for major competitions we often have over a thousand people on the site, which might slow it down.

 

[Ares]

Isn't there a way for Vincent to get the min TES. I guess they can't use this one because it's not international but, can't he get the number at 4CC?

To compete at 4CC he also needs Tech Minimum as far as I know but there are other competitions between now and Worlds.

 

[Skater Boy]

And an argument can equally be made the other way, that yes, Vincent won silver, but he is too young/inexperienced/doesn't even have the tech minimums to go to the pre-Olympic year Worlds.

Hi Karne. i think I said that or was suggesting that in my post. One can really argue anything many ways but a good argument could be made then Mariah Bel should stay home. Sending Brown makes logical choice - the judges love him, experience and like my example he is far more likely to get three skaters for next year (ie. sending Robinson the year Josee Chouinard messed up at Nats - Josee went on to place 3rd at the GPFinal that year - had it been the US they would have sent Chouinard (considering obbviously she did well in the GP to make the finals). But life isn't fair and Vincent might as well learn now. Jason should realize he is a lucky skater.

 

[Skater Boy]

Rohene is choreographing for several of the skaters and yet he is not given the credit he deserves.

Nathan!!!

Well to be fair on these posts he is made out to be a demi god. Wilson, nichol, buttle, bourne, lambiel, morosov, zueva et al don't nearly get the credit.

 

[Skater Boy]

The USFA and its criteria to select world and 4cc team is certainly different and right or wrong very based on getting more spots. You can easily rationalize things or argue things so that Brown should go, Zhou should go or heck look how they bumped up Aaron.

Brown will always do fairly well because he has great style, skating skills (PCS) Aaron as a jumper is sadly duplicitous and not as good as Chen of course or Zhou. I think Chen by the way could win olympics pending what Hanyu does. He has more quads than Boyang and Fernandez who is still prone and Chan doesn't have a chance with his inonsistency - though I could watch him just glide on the ice - the scoring system now does not give Chan and Brown really enough room to get scores that maybe they deserve.

I think you have Chen and Brown as I always said as your safe bets and the third spot open but if Zhou starts getting consistent then Aaron, Rippon, Abbott, Rabbit,Dolensky, Minor et al can say farewell. My guess is nats may have sealed the deal hat Abbott won't return. He can see the quad issue. I think it is very brave of Patrick Chan and Jason Brown to stick around. I think because Jason is younger and is really well liked there is more hope. But Hanyu really has it all and wants it all - he Hanyu the king of kings really has the advantage over Chen still because of pcs. Who would ever think 5 quads in a program would be possible. I do think this is exciting and maybe a bit sad for skating. Jumps can do it all!

 

[OS]

It's official: Nathan and Jason on World team.

https://twitter.com/icenetwork/status/823333418129821697

And that is why ladies and gentleman, the new rule has proven to be the Jason Brown rule.

 

[Jammers]

Going back and watching Nathan's FS it cracked me up when he stumbled out of his last 3-3 combo and he kinda shakes his head like i just did 5 quads and i miss this? LOL