But there's no reason to think that Satoko's jumps are going to suddenly be judged differently than they have been thus far (i.e., mostly like everybody else's), barring the underrotation change that I already mentioned, and we don't know enough about how her Olympics/Worlds jumps were assessed to know how that would affect her.Wakaba doesn't need 3A. She just need to skate clean in key events, and an accurate judging for Satoko's jumps.
But there's no reason to think that Satoko's jumps are going to suddenly be judged differently than they have been thus far.
It's true that the 3A will increase Wakaba's "standing" in the JSF's eyes, and have them push her more, I guess.
It wouldn’t especially matter what the J-Fed does in that case, I don’t think. Consistent delivery of high-value tech boosts your PCS, as we’ve seen many times. And even if it didn’t, Wakaba’s Worlds score was just a point shy of Satoko’s personal best. Add a 3A in each program and you’re easily over 150 if executed properly.Hmmmm possible but i don't think so.
But there's no reason to think that Satoko's jumps are going to suddenly be judged differently than they have been thus far (i.e., mostly like everybody else's), barring the underrotation change that I already mentioned, and we don't know enough about how her Olympics/Worlds jumps were assessed to know how that would affect her.
But there's no reason to think that Satoko's jumps are going to suddenly be judged differently than they have been thus far (i.e., mostly like everybody else's), barring the underrotation change that I already mentioned, and we don't know enough about how her Olympics/Worlds jumps were assessed to know how that would affect her.
Haha, I just wanted to talk about overall "qualities" initially, instead of what they would be scored as in competitions. In that vein, I do think Wakaba has every chance to overtake Satoko, as she is only a little behind overall. She showed herself to be better at Worlds, TBH, so if she can build on that and maintain it until JNats this season, she will have surpassed Satoko. Whether the JSF recognises it or not by then, we'll see.
Satoko got three “<“ at NHK, then none at Skate America, then three more at the GPF, three again at 4CC, none at the Olympics, and two “<“ at Worlds.I agree. As long as the tech panels are happy to turn blind eyes to her URs, she will receive generous GOEs, even comparable to Kaori as she has been. What the figure skating judges dislike most is unpredictability. They love to stick to their scenario, and that is what the corridor judging is for.
Wakaba rarely gets serious calls when she skates well, even on borderline jumps, and she’s even getting her flips called clean sometimes. Her PCS was only two points below Satoko’s at Worlds despite skating in an early group. If she skates well next season I wouldn’t be surprised if she overtakes Satoko even without a 3A.
This is what we need to be talking about!
But really, her Flip is fine now. I know the ISU has its own very specific way of defining a Flip, but doesn't she do a flat edge now?
Oh, yes, I've noticed her sometimes (!) lutz. It's the same with Daleman when she's working on her lip, though it's annoying when people keep saying they're flutzers. That's... not what a flutz is.
But the way ISU calls the flips (e) or (!) is dumb. Like that Yuna Kim 13W SP, or that one random time Boyang Jin got called (!), because... why not.
Satoko got three “<“ at NHK, then none at Skate America, then three more at the GPF, three again at 4CC, none at the Olympics, and two “<“ at Worlds.
And we see that when she's called she's vulnerable, as she lost to Wakaba, Kaori and Mai.
I think she only lost to those three when she's had a fall. She probably would have still beat them if it was just the under-rotations
Without the fall she still would have lost to Kaori at 4CC. Without the fall she would have beat Wakaba at Worlds, but without her fall in SP Wakaba would have beat her too