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Were the jumps by the young skaters there because they were able to do it or for making a splash? Witt ag was the first to do a 3F in competition, started her 1984 Olympics free with a 2Lz+3T, but in 1988 she had barely 3T and 3S, the 3Lo was down to 2Lo and did she even try a 2Lz?
Out of idle curiosity, looked at the ages of women who have gotten the triple firsts and 2A as a bonus:
2A Carol Heiss 1953 when she turned 13, her 1st senior season
3T not known
3S Petra Burka 1962 when she turned 16, her 1st senior season
3Lo Gabriele Seyfert 1968 when she turned 20 towards the end of her career
3F Katarina Witt 1981 when she turned 16, her 3rd senior season
3F Manuela Ruben 1981 when she turned 17, her 1st senior season
3Lz Denise Biellman 1978 when she turned 16, her 3rd senior season
3A Midori Ito 1988 when she was 18 (this is better documented), her 4th senior season
Seyfert is here the big exception to the youth rule.
Bonaly was trying quads (4T and 4S) at the 1990 Europeans when she was 16, her 2nd senior season. She has been talking about her experience being the first woman to try quads a bit (the best quotes were in the Time article IIRC but that is behind a paywall, but worth a read if you can) - eg in this NBC story Her feeling is that her quads attempts were not regarded in any way worthy at a time when even very few men were trying quads.
Miki Ando got the 4S in her junior years when she was 15. During her first full senior season 2004-5 she went for 3Lz+3Lo+2T, had all the triples expect the 3A in her free. Towards the end of the 2010s the 3+3 combo made only occasional appearences and she won the 2011 worlds without a 3+3 combo and a 3F.
Yuna Kim did not really push the jumping boundaries, but she was able to do a 3+3 combo in her last Olympics still and missed only the 3Lo from the other triples.
Mao Asada was doing the 3A for long but she rarely did 3+3 combos and towards the end of her career... Well, let's not talk about her jumps then.
Nathan Chen (just to mention the best quadster so far) started with the 4T in his junior days, then added the 4S and the following season both the 4F and 4Lz, later dabbled also with the 4Lo. Has so far done quads for 8 seasons with pretty good quality - his success rate as positive GOEs in international competition is a staggering 70,2% and he has 133 good quads. Hanyu was able to add the 4Lo fairly successfully later in his career. He and also Javi were doing good quality quads right until the end of their 10+ season long competetive careers - both have also 100+ international positive GOE quads with success rates at 67,0% and 64,8%, respectively.
Why can't women do that with triples?
Ryan Stevens (from the Skate Guard blog) is about to publish a book on the history of FS jumps which I am very curious to see. Don't expect his to address these questions, but it will surely include lots of interesting tidbits.
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Out of idle curiosity, looked at the ages of women who have gotten the triple firsts and 2A as a bonus:
2A Carol Heiss 1953 when she turned 13, her 1st senior season
3T not known
3S Petra Burka 1962 when she turned 16, her 1st senior season
3Lo Gabriele Seyfert 1968 when she turned 20 towards the end of her career
3F Katarina Witt 1981 when she turned 16, her 3rd senior season
3F Manuela Ruben 1981 when she turned 17, her 1st senior season
3Lz Denise Biellman 1978 when she turned 16, her 3rd senior season
3A Midori Ito 1988 when she was 18 (this is better documented), her 4th senior season
Seyfert is here the big exception to the youth rule.
Bonaly was trying quads (4T and 4S) at the 1990 Europeans when she was 16, her 2nd senior season. She has been talking about her experience being the first woman to try quads a bit (the best quotes were in the Time article IIRC but that is behind a paywall, but worth a read if you can) - eg in this NBC story Her feeling is that her quads attempts were not regarded in any way worthy at a time when even very few men were trying quads.
Miki Ando got the 4S in her junior years when she was 15. During her first full senior season 2004-5 she went for 3Lz+3Lo+2T, had all the triples expect the 3A in her free. Towards the end of the 2010s the 3+3 combo made only occasional appearences and she won the 2011 worlds without a 3+3 combo and a 3F.
Yuna Kim did not really push the jumping boundaries, but she was able to do a 3+3 combo in her last Olympics still and missed only the 3Lo from the other triples.
Mao Asada was doing the 3A for long but she rarely did 3+3 combos and towards the end of her career... Well, let's not talk about her jumps then.
Nathan Chen (just to mention the best quadster so far) started with the 4T in his junior days, then added the 4S and the following season both the 4F and 4Lz, later dabbled also with the 4Lo. Has so far done quads for 8 seasons with pretty good quality - his success rate as positive GOEs in international competition is a staggering 70,2% and he has 133 good quads. Hanyu was able to add the 4Lo fairly successfully later in his career. He and also Javi were doing good quality quads right until the end of their 10+ season long competetive careers - both have also 100+ international positive GOE quads with success rates at 67,0% and 64,8%, respectively.
Why can't women do that with triples?
Ryan Stevens (from the Skate Guard blog) is about to publish a book on the history of FS jumps which I am very curious to see. Don't expect his to address these questions, but it will surely include lots of interesting tidbits.
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