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“ Tutberidze’s methods are embedded in our coaching culture. "
Frank interview with two-time Olympic champion Artur Dmitriyev.
The season in figure skating, despite the lack of a World Championship, turned out to be oversaturated. The triumph at the European Championship, the completion and suspension of careers, the roller coaster of our results in the Grand Prix series, the debut of several Russian girls at the senior level. In a big conversation with SE, two-time Olympic champion and current mentor Artur Dmitriyev compared Eteri Tutberidze with Stanislav Zhuk, spoke about the serious stratification in the coaching workshop and the problems of Russian figure skating, which are hidden behind the showcase of victories.
Our figure skating will not lose its class over a year
- The abolition of the World Championships and the shutdown of figure skating - a blow primarily to Russia? The trio of Trusova, Shcherbakova, Kostornaya, in fact, lost medals, and who knows what will happen in a year?
" I would not call them the main losers; all athletes lost. What is happening is an extraordinary situation. And this is a very serious blow to figure skating, from which it will not quickly recover. But the level that our team has gained is respectable. I saw how seriously everyone was preparing for Montreal. I think in a year such class will not get not lost. We are waiting for the restoration of life. In my opinion, this may drag on and not be limited to a couple of months. "
- But still, the main result of the season is probably the dominance of the trio of Eteri Tutberidze. Can it already be considered the main phenomenon in the history of our female skating?
" The issue is debatable, nevertheless, there are still applicants, but I hope this trinity is still ahead. It’s just that from time to time a leading group appears in the world. As it happened with Moskvina in pairs, Dubova in dancing, Orser, Mishin in single skating. No one could believe that the Mishin boys could be beaten. Plyushchenko, Yagudin, Urmanov ... Now they are gone. But Mishin did not become less great, right? "
- It is not clear what will happen to the ISU Congress, but how do you like the idea of changing the age limit? A fight against this group?
" When we talk about this reform, we need to answer the question - what do we want to achieve? It turns out that our junior skating will be more developed than the senior, and these young boys and girls will not be allowed to rise. It looks silly. There will be a bunch of juniors who will finish there. I’m silent about the question of what to do with boys' skating then. "
Forced training doesn't work with guys
- Maybe we just have a breakdown time, then everyone will learn how to quadruple, and these conversations will go away?
" They will not learn this at all ages. There is this specificity of female skating. And Eteri found a specific method which with the girls will give a permanent result. Her group realised that strict discipline was needed. Children are immediately put into circulation, so to speak. There is a similar thing in gymnastics, sports and art, even in circus art, where children are allowed to work. Fearlessness helps. Girls at this age are ahead of boys by a large margin; they cannot even withstand such loads. These are features of physiology. Well, one more component of success: advanced helpers. Dudakov unequivocally found himself working with children. Eteri for a long time lacked a second coach, for technique. All successes fell on his coming. Without Sergey, this group would not exist in its current form. But with boys, the forced training method doesn't work like that. "
- There are these talks of 'inhibition of development', do they have any foundation?
“ Nobody knows. I think the load itself slows it down. Before the Olympics, I remember Zagitova and Medvyedeva ran for 40 minutes after each training session, mornings and evenings.
Eteri’s methods, in fact, are not hers, they have been used before. She just became famous, and this turned out to be the turning point. Parents and children go where the success is. The best go to her, but not so many. It turns out that she has the right to pick and choose from the lot, set conditions. You cannot comply - you are free, go. "
- Many consider it too difficult psychologically.
" About the same thing happened in hockey under Tarasov, Tikhonov. They locked the players at the base, and they trained poorly - they couldn't let go of their wives. Fed up, Tarasov once a week also collected these wives! And he said something like: "You tell your man so that he works normally." This is the approach. He didn’t crack the whip. Created the conditions. In America, too, they prepared this hard, like before their victory in 1980.
Eteri also keeps track of everything. No flaw will not pass without notice, anyone will be punished. This may be undemocratic, but this word is not applicable here. Does she cross the line? For this you need to know the situation from the inside. I worked with her from zero, but then it was different. "
A huge number of talented youths disappear in the USA
- A closed to the public group - is that right?
" They have the right. Is this good or bad? Complex issue. Probably, to some extent this is their weakness. But too much attention is also bad. Last season, this, in my opinion, this hurt Dima Aliyev after his Silver at the 2018 European Championships. Nevertheless, figure skating is still not in the spotlights enough. We had booms of popularity, but not on this scale.
Well, we must understand that everything that is said in the case of Eteri is embedded in our coaching system, even our sports culture. Tutberidze isn't even the toughest yet. There was, for example, this coach Stanislav Zhuk. Super-authoritarian. Eteri at least does not refer to the army. But he could. Not only for poor work, but for the fact that a person refused to come to him. He invited him over, asking: “ How old? 18? Well, go and serve (the army). ” And the man carries a machine gun in Kandalaksha, returned as an invalid. I know these stories firsthand. At the same time, he was an outstanding coach. "
- And in this there is no corpus delicti at all? By today's standards, they could have locked him up.
" How are we to judge? He didn't make him an invalid. It’s just that when you give a person to a sporting battalion, there could be some major from CSKA enlisting him. Such things have happened for real. It was a harsh time. And in sports as well. Authoritarianism, it turns out, is a necessary condition. "
- How then do they succeed in the West? Somehow different?
" In Russia, the coaching culture is definitely tougher than abroad. But I spent many years in America, and there are also authoritarian experts there. But the main thing is that there are definitely more rinks there than overhere. Just the kids are mostly lazy. There are many who wish, but the federation has practically no influence on the initial stage of preparation. Parents pay, and they decide who is a good coach, who is bad. So they run from one to another. In my experience, only three months is needed for an athlete to understand what is required. And three more for him to do it. Three - four coaching changes later - two years thrown away. This way in the USA, a huge number of talented youths are disappearing.
The second factor is that you cannot force a child there. Overhere, I can come and say - I need her to train this much. But there parents will say - we don’t have that kind of money. Private economy. And those who have money see it as a hobby. And when time comes for high school, university - that’s it, they take the child away. Let him study. Those who are now in the US team, need to find sponsors, seek donors.
- Here, Anastasiya Tarakanova tried to do this.
“ Even there, such a system is not always effective. Do you understand the peculiarity of figure skating? It's like ballet, you can’t teach a person by snapping your fingers. From what I've heard, for example, in boxing: here is a strong guy, let's teach him the techniques, in a year he will be the champion of the region, in his second he will fight for the world championship. In figure skating, if you haven’t completed the basics by the time you are you six, you won’t win anything in a year. It needs a system. And the training system in Russia is now the best and most advanced in the world. "
- We've dismantled North America. Europe, let's consider, is still recovering from a knockout in Graz ...
" I understand, Japan remains. There is another extreme - a phenomenal respect for the coach. And the Japanese were on fire, the trainers used and killed children with volumes of work. Skaters did not survive. But the trainer is god, and he is worshiped. Eteri partially created this feeling in her group, the children are afraid of her. And respect her. The results are obvious. "
We have a stratification into top coaches and the rest - this is a serious problem
- Surely there are a lot of problems in Russian figure skating that are ignored due to the usual topics about Tutberidze's pupil's ages and victories. You travel a lot around the country, what are your observations?
" There really are problems. Well, for example, this. Recently, many ice rinks are opening, but there are no good specialists. This is indicated by local leaders. We lose many good skaters. That is, in the regions there are trainers at a level of skating while holding hands. They get their 30 thousand rubles, and earn the rest with skating sessions. Either they skate their own, or others'. But they don’t know how to do this, and they don’t want to learn. Everybody is happy. You do not bear responsibility for proper skating, there is no systematic approach. Half of Moscow passed through their hands, but this is a stupid business by and large. And why learn when everything is there?
At the next stage, they start not allowing the kids to go anywhere else. Because parents are not stupid, they take their children to master classes. We have such a semi-American system. And those times - they begin to jump. Double axel, triple Toeloop. Then they come back - and they are retrained, they are forbidden to do the exercises that were advised in Moscow. That is, we have a class of top trainers, and at the average level - a vacuum. This stratification is a serious problem in the long run. "
- Still they talk about the boom. Do you feel the hype?
" There are more singles, the level of pair skating has increased. But there is a serious limitation in the form of growth. When the girl is 165 centimeters - she needs a partner just under two meters. There aren't that many guys this tall. Plus, many girls are afraid to switch from singles to pairs, throws, twist lifts - this is really scary. Finally, pair skating becomes technically difficult, there are many nuances, not all are able to hold on.
As for the female single skating, here, anyway, the doors are closed. Only the first three get into the national team. It turns out that the others hang on a bit and quit.
Let's believe Medvedeva, but it was not just about her skates
- How do you like the idea of changing citizenship? When it comes to Medvyedeva or Tuktamysheva, everyone reacts quite sharply to this proposal.
" I think this will happen. Not necessarily with them, but with someone else. I am calm about the idea of Medvyedeva changing citizenship, for example. But is it worth it, does she need to rely so much on sports? This will only mean that she could not stand the competition in Russia. She will still know that there are more powerful skaters, comes to international tournaments and loses, taking fifth place. She isn't interested in fifth place. So does she need this transition if it doesn't offer her a chance? "
- But this year there was this chance to get on the national team. If not for the strange story with her skates.
" Broken skates are a complex topic. I recently had a boy skating, his skate got broken too. The front attachment came loose, the second and third ones held. And he jumped triples. "
- That is, Medvyedeva could still compete, she was deceiving us?
" Let's just say: let's believe Medvyedeva, but it seems to me that it was not just about her skates. Medvyedeva has done so much for our sport, let's forgive her some minor failures. "
- Judging of modern figure skating in Russia and abroad - a problem?
" I wouldn't say that there are signs of a critical situation, everything is quite adequate. Unless in Russia they begin to reward higher than abroad. Dance, probably, remains different, the judicial system there is very difficult. No wonder our sport was called "figure skating and dancing on ice." Showdowns there are often ugly. The rules are made in such a way that you can always count something if you wish. Although the rules on rotated jumps or not in single skating are now tightened. And in pair skating, I generally had guys who lost victories after the end of the competition and the publication of protocols. This happened in Zagreb. Refereeing is a difficult topic, but not the main one in figure skating. The main thing is the quality of the athletes' performance. Their ability to find a balance between complexity, musicality and expressiveness. "
In the 90s we went after petrol to resurface the rink. Now all conditions for victories are in place
- Your son is one of the few in the world who is trying to jump a quad Axel. Now Yuzuru Hanyu is getting close to jump him. What is the peculiarity of this jump, why can't it be done for so many years?
" Artur even had a win-win attempt, but he fell from one of them. It is too late for him to do this anymore now he is getting older. Moreover, he went to CSKA, changed his coach, lost a lot of time. He broke his leg with another trainer, had an accident, got a concussion, switched to another trainer, had an operation on his knee, and then came to me. From each coach, he still took a certain experience. But am I a wizard or something? I understand that this jump is a chance to go down in history. In addition, working with your own son is not so simple.
As for the Axel. The quad axel depends on the initial speed of rotation. The higher it is, the easier it will be to make a quadruple, but at the same time it should be optimal from the push off. Like a high jumper - he does not accelerate, like Bolt at the hundred meters, but seeks a moment to throw himself up. The development of a person jumping upwards is a very slow task. The second thing - it is necessary to cheat the rotation from the ice as much as possible, without violating the rules. That is, a lot of axis are immediately involved. "
- In Mishin’s books there is usually a lot about this: cosines, sines ...
" The main thing is that the eye is trained. Athletes are not required to know the sines and cosines, they will think that the trainer is sick, if you explain everything to them in goniometry. This does not mean that the skater is stupid. They have other tasks. The coach must find the words and accurately formulate the task of the athlete. "
- Is Artur okay with preparation right now?
" How to tell you. You asked about the problems, here you are, one more. He did not get into the national team - accordingly, he lost all support from the federation. All issues related to massage therapists, medicine, costumes and skates fell back on his shoulders financially. If you play sports, then making money at this moment is almost impossible. The balance between earnings and training is a difficult thing.
That is, we are talking about a boom, but the days of rich shows in America are long behind, now American football is in favour. And the abilities of our stars to enrich also remained with that era. In the 90s, the Champions On Ice show fed everyone for months ahead. In Russia at that time there was no money. It came to this: you come to the rink, but it is not surfaced. You ask the driver of the machine, and he says: "There is no petrol." And I went to the nearest petrol station with cans, Urmanov went, bought at his own expense, stood in lines waiting. And in such conditions, you can also become Olympic champion, we took all the gold of the 1992 Olympics. It would be a desire. Now in Russia everything for this is available.
(c) Дмитрий Кузнецов
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https://www.sport-express.ru/figure...-intervyu-artura-dmitrieva-starshego-1657070/
Kuznetsov and his agenda ...
Frank interview with two-time Olympic champion Artur Dmitriyev.
The season in figure skating, despite the lack of a World Championship, turned out to be oversaturated. The triumph at the European Championship, the completion and suspension of careers, the roller coaster of our results in the Grand Prix series, the debut of several Russian girls at the senior level. In a big conversation with SE, two-time Olympic champion and current mentor Artur Dmitriyev compared Eteri Tutberidze with Stanislav Zhuk, spoke about the serious stratification in the coaching workshop and the problems of Russian figure skating, which are hidden behind the showcase of victories.
Our figure skating will not lose its class over a year
- The abolition of the World Championships and the shutdown of figure skating - a blow primarily to Russia? The trio of Trusova, Shcherbakova, Kostornaya, in fact, lost medals, and who knows what will happen in a year?
" I would not call them the main losers; all athletes lost. What is happening is an extraordinary situation. And this is a very serious blow to figure skating, from which it will not quickly recover. But the level that our team has gained is respectable. I saw how seriously everyone was preparing for Montreal. I think in a year such class will not get not lost. We are waiting for the restoration of life. In my opinion, this may drag on and not be limited to a couple of months. "
- But still, the main result of the season is probably the dominance of the trio of Eteri Tutberidze. Can it already be considered the main phenomenon in the history of our female skating?
" The issue is debatable, nevertheless, there are still applicants, but I hope this trinity is still ahead. It’s just that from time to time a leading group appears in the world. As it happened with Moskvina in pairs, Dubova in dancing, Orser, Mishin in single skating. No one could believe that the Mishin boys could be beaten. Plyushchenko, Yagudin, Urmanov ... Now they are gone. But Mishin did not become less great, right? "
- It is not clear what will happen to the ISU Congress, but how do you like the idea of changing the age limit? A fight against this group?
" When we talk about this reform, we need to answer the question - what do we want to achieve? It turns out that our junior skating will be more developed than the senior, and these young boys and girls will not be allowed to rise. It looks silly. There will be a bunch of juniors who will finish there. I’m silent about the question of what to do with boys' skating then. "
Forced training doesn't work with guys
- Maybe we just have a breakdown time, then everyone will learn how to quadruple, and these conversations will go away?
" They will not learn this at all ages. There is this specificity of female skating. And Eteri found a specific method which with the girls will give a permanent result. Her group realised that strict discipline was needed. Children are immediately put into circulation, so to speak. There is a similar thing in gymnastics, sports and art, even in circus art, where children are allowed to work. Fearlessness helps. Girls at this age are ahead of boys by a large margin; they cannot even withstand such loads. These are features of physiology. Well, one more component of success: advanced helpers. Dudakov unequivocally found himself working with children. Eteri for a long time lacked a second coach, for technique. All successes fell on his coming. Without Sergey, this group would not exist in its current form. But with boys, the forced training method doesn't work like that. "
- There are these talks of 'inhibition of development', do they have any foundation?
“ Nobody knows. I think the load itself slows it down. Before the Olympics, I remember Zagitova and Medvyedeva ran for 40 minutes after each training session, mornings and evenings.
Eteri’s methods, in fact, are not hers, they have been used before. She just became famous, and this turned out to be the turning point. Parents and children go where the success is. The best go to her, but not so many. It turns out that she has the right to pick and choose from the lot, set conditions. You cannot comply - you are free, go. "
- Many consider it too difficult psychologically.
" About the same thing happened in hockey under Tarasov, Tikhonov. They locked the players at the base, and they trained poorly - they couldn't let go of their wives. Fed up, Tarasov once a week also collected these wives! And he said something like: "You tell your man so that he works normally." This is the approach. He didn’t crack the whip. Created the conditions. In America, too, they prepared this hard, like before their victory in 1980.
Eteri also keeps track of everything. No flaw will not pass without notice, anyone will be punished. This may be undemocratic, but this word is not applicable here. Does she cross the line? For this you need to know the situation from the inside. I worked with her from zero, but then it was different. "
A huge number of talented youths disappear in the USA
- A closed to the public group - is that right?
" They have the right. Is this good or bad? Complex issue. Probably, to some extent this is their weakness. But too much attention is also bad. Last season, this, in my opinion, this hurt Dima Aliyev after his Silver at the 2018 European Championships. Nevertheless, figure skating is still not in the spotlights enough. We had booms of popularity, but not on this scale.
Well, we must understand that everything that is said in the case of Eteri is embedded in our coaching system, even our sports culture. Tutberidze isn't even the toughest yet. There was, for example, this coach Stanislav Zhuk. Super-authoritarian. Eteri at least does not refer to the army. But he could. Not only for poor work, but for the fact that a person refused to come to him. He invited him over, asking: “ How old? 18? Well, go and serve (the army). ” And the man carries a machine gun in Kandalaksha, returned as an invalid. I know these stories firsthand. At the same time, he was an outstanding coach. "
- And in this there is no corpus delicti at all? By today's standards, they could have locked him up.
" How are we to judge? He didn't make him an invalid. It’s just that when you give a person to a sporting battalion, there could be some major from CSKA enlisting him. Such things have happened for real. It was a harsh time. And in sports as well. Authoritarianism, it turns out, is a necessary condition. "
- How then do they succeed in the West? Somehow different?
" In Russia, the coaching culture is definitely tougher than abroad. But I spent many years in America, and there are also authoritarian experts there. But the main thing is that there are definitely more rinks there than overhere. Just the kids are mostly lazy. There are many who wish, but the federation has practically no influence on the initial stage of preparation. Parents pay, and they decide who is a good coach, who is bad. So they run from one to another. In my experience, only three months is needed for an athlete to understand what is required. And three more for him to do it. Three - four coaching changes later - two years thrown away. This way in the USA, a huge number of talented youths are disappearing.
The second factor is that you cannot force a child there. Overhere, I can come and say - I need her to train this much. But there parents will say - we don’t have that kind of money. Private economy. And those who have money see it as a hobby. And when time comes for high school, university - that’s it, they take the child away. Let him study. Those who are now in the US team, need to find sponsors, seek donors.
- Here, Anastasiya Tarakanova tried to do this.
“ Even there, such a system is not always effective. Do you understand the peculiarity of figure skating? It's like ballet, you can’t teach a person by snapping your fingers. From what I've heard, for example, in boxing: here is a strong guy, let's teach him the techniques, in a year he will be the champion of the region, in his second he will fight for the world championship. In figure skating, if you haven’t completed the basics by the time you are you six, you won’t win anything in a year. It needs a system. And the training system in Russia is now the best and most advanced in the world. "
- We've dismantled North America. Europe, let's consider, is still recovering from a knockout in Graz ...
" I understand, Japan remains. There is another extreme - a phenomenal respect for the coach. And the Japanese were on fire, the trainers used and killed children with volumes of work. Skaters did not survive. But the trainer is god, and he is worshiped. Eteri partially created this feeling in her group, the children are afraid of her. And respect her. The results are obvious. "
We have a stratification into top coaches and the rest - this is a serious problem
- Surely there are a lot of problems in Russian figure skating that are ignored due to the usual topics about Tutberidze's pupil's ages and victories. You travel a lot around the country, what are your observations?
" There really are problems. Well, for example, this. Recently, many ice rinks are opening, but there are no good specialists. This is indicated by local leaders. We lose many good skaters. That is, in the regions there are trainers at a level of skating while holding hands. They get their 30 thousand rubles, and earn the rest with skating sessions. Either they skate their own, or others'. But they don’t know how to do this, and they don’t want to learn. Everybody is happy. You do not bear responsibility for proper skating, there is no systematic approach. Half of Moscow passed through their hands, but this is a stupid business by and large. And why learn when everything is there?
At the next stage, they start not allowing the kids to go anywhere else. Because parents are not stupid, they take their children to master classes. We have such a semi-American system. And those times - they begin to jump. Double axel, triple Toeloop. Then they come back - and they are retrained, they are forbidden to do the exercises that were advised in Moscow. That is, we have a class of top trainers, and at the average level - a vacuum. This stratification is a serious problem in the long run. "
- Still they talk about the boom. Do you feel the hype?
" There are more singles, the level of pair skating has increased. But there is a serious limitation in the form of growth. When the girl is 165 centimeters - she needs a partner just under two meters. There aren't that many guys this tall. Plus, many girls are afraid to switch from singles to pairs, throws, twist lifts - this is really scary. Finally, pair skating becomes technically difficult, there are many nuances, not all are able to hold on.
As for the female single skating, here, anyway, the doors are closed. Only the first three get into the national team. It turns out that the others hang on a bit and quit.
Let's believe Medvedeva, but it was not just about her skates
- How do you like the idea of changing citizenship? When it comes to Medvyedeva or Tuktamysheva, everyone reacts quite sharply to this proposal.
" I think this will happen. Not necessarily with them, but with someone else. I am calm about the idea of Medvyedeva changing citizenship, for example. But is it worth it, does she need to rely so much on sports? This will only mean that she could not stand the competition in Russia. She will still know that there are more powerful skaters, comes to international tournaments and loses, taking fifth place. She isn't interested in fifth place. So does she need this transition if it doesn't offer her a chance? "
- But this year there was this chance to get on the national team. If not for the strange story with her skates.
" Broken skates are a complex topic. I recently had a boy skating, his skate got broken too. The front attachment came loose, the second and third ones held. And he jumped triples. "
- That is, Medvyedeva could still compete, she was deceiving us?
" Let's just say: let's believe Medvyedeva, but it seems to me that it was not just about her skates. Medvyedeva has done so much for our sport, let's forgive her some minor failures. "
- Judging of modern figure skating in Russia and abroad - a problem?
" I wouldn't say that there are signs of a critical situation, everything is quite adequate. Unless in Russia they begin to reward higher than abroad. Dance, probably, remains different, the judicial system there is very difficult. No wonder our sport was called "figure skating and dancing on ice." Showdowns there are often ugly. The rules are made in such a way that you can always count something if you wish. Although the rules on rotated jumps or not in single skating are now tightened. And in pair skating, I generally had guys who lost victories after the end of the competition and the publication of protocols. This happened in Zagreb. Refereeing is a difficult topic, but not the main one in figure skating. The main thing is the quality of the athletes' performance. Their ability to find a balance between complexity, musicality and expressiveness. "
In the 90s we went after petrol to resurface the rink. Now all conditions for victories are in place
- Your son is one of the few in the world who is trying to jump a quad Axel. Now Yuzuru Hanyu is getting close to jump him. What is the peculiarity of this jump, why can't it be done for so many years?
" Artur even had a win-win attempt, but he fell from one of them. It is too late for him to do this anymore now he is getting older. Moreover, he went to CSKA, changed his coach, lost a lot of time. He broke his leg with another trainer, had an accident, got a concussion, switched to another trainer, had an operation on his knee, and then came to me. From each coach, he still took a certain experience. But am I a wizard or something? I understand that this jump is a chance to go down in history. In addition, working with your own son is not so simple.
As for the Axel. The quad axel depends on the initial speed of rotation. The higher it is, the easier it will be to make a quadruple, but at the same time it should be optimal from the push off. Like a high jumper - he does not accelerate, like Bolt at the hundred meters, but seeks a moment to throw himself up. The development of a person jumping upwards is a very slow task. The second thing - it is necessary to cheat the rotation from the ice as much as possible, without violating the rules. That is, a lot of axis are immediately involved. "
- In Mishin’s books there is usually a lot about this: cosines, sines ...
" The main thing is that the eye is trained. Athletes are not required to know the sines and cosines, they will think that the trainer is sick, if you explain everything to them in goniometry. This does not mean that the skater is stupid. They have other tasks. The coach must find the words and accurately formulate the task of the athlete. "
- Is Artur okay with preparation right now?
" How to tell you. You asked about the problems, here you are, one more. He did not get into the national team - accordingly, he lost all support from the federation. All issues related to massage therapists, medicine, costumes and skates fell back on his shoulders financially. If you play sports, then making money at this moment is almost impossible. The balance between earnings and training is a difficult thing.
That is, we are talking about a boom, but the days of rich shows in America are long behind, now American football is in favour. And the abilities of our stars to enrich also remained with that era. In the 90s, the Champions On Ice show fed everyone for months ahead. In Russia at that time there was no money. It came to this: you come to the rink, but it is not surfaced. You ask the driver of the machine, and he says: "There is no petrol." And I went to the nearest petrol station with cans, Urmanov went, bought at his own expense, stood in lines waiting. And in such conditions, you can also become Olympic champion, we took all the gold of the 1992 Olympics. It would be a desire. Now in Russia everything for this is available.
(c) Дмитрий Кузнецов
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https://www.sport-express.ru/figure...-intervyu-artura-dmitrieva-starshego-1657070/
Kuznetsov and his agenda ...