skateluvr; said:Statistically, John may have been a victim before he became a predator. God bless any and all who are triggered or upset by these threads. ��
Unfortunately this happens far too often.
skateluvr; said:Statistically, John may have been a victim before he became a predator. God bless any and all who are triggered or upset by these threads. ��
Umm...I don't believe I accused you of anything, Casual. I responded to nussnacker's post. Are you also nussnacker? I explained to him/her that I had not meant to give that impression.
It’s pretty simple really:
Ashley didn’t give consent for John to do what he did. It’s sexual assault.
Everything else, such as Ashley’s age and what was done or not done, is irrelevant to the above.
Why do you assume he touched her genitals? I didn't get that from her story. Yes, most 'normal' guys wouldn't do what he did, but who knows what happened throughout the night, maybe he misjudged a flirtation that wasn't there? We don't know. And she might not know either if she had too much to drink. But to what basically amounts to a drunk guy and drunk girl finding themselves in bed together and she kicks him out when he starts groping her, well, that happens all the time. Not saying it is right, but not much even happened.
It’s pretty simple really:
Ashley didn’t give consent for John to do what he did. It’s sexual assault.
Everything else, such as Ashley’s age and what was done or not done, is irrelevant to the above.
Yes, but... how do you know? We don't know what happened at the party. What we do know is, she did not object when he climbed into bed with her, and kept silent for five full minutes while he was groping her.
How can you be certain he didn't think he had her full consent (misguided as he was)? As soon as she asked, he stopped - that's a very important part of this story, too.
It was sexual assault. No doubt. And people are overreacting, painting it into something much worse than what actually happened.
Yes, but... how do you know? We don't know what happened at the party. What we do know is, she did not object when he climbed into bed with her, and kept silent for five full minutes while he was groping her.
How can you be certain he didn't think he had her full consent (misguided as he was)? As soon as she asked, he stopped - that's a very important part of this story, too.
It was sexual assault. No doubt. And people are overreacting, painting it into something much worse than what actually happened.
I was offered up a bed and didn’t think twice about taking it, and soon drifted off to sleep.
It was the middle of the night when I felt him crawl into my bed. I had been sleeping and didn't move because I didn't understand what it meant. I thought he just wanted a place to sleep. But then he started kissing my neck. I pretended to be deep asleep, hoping he would stop. He didn’t. When his hands started to wander, when he started touching me, groping my body, I tried to shift around so that he would think I was waking up and would stop. He didn’t.
When he continued to wander further over my body, I started to get scared because he was so much bigger than I was, and I didn’t know if I could push him off. I just continued to lie there pretending to be asleep, hoping that he would get bored and go somewhere else. He didn’t.
There’s no reason for me to believe Coughlin did anything bad. Even with Ashley’s story he stopped when she asked.
Yes, but... how do you know? We don't know what happened at the party. What we do know is, she did not object when he climbed into bed with her, and kept silent for five full minutes while he was groping her.
How can you be certain he didn't think he had her full consent (misguided as he was)? As soon as she asked, he stopped - that's a very important part of this story, too.
It was sexual assault. No doubt. And people are overreacting, painting it into something much worse than what actually happened.
It’s pretty simple really:
Ashley didn’t give consent for John to do what he did. It’s sexual assault.
Everything else, such as Ashley’s age and what was done or not done, is irrelevant to the above.
I agree. But who is saying she was not assaulted, legally speaking? I must have missed that post.