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and of course, controversial Petri was even in 2014 when he tweeted that V/M should have placed first in the finn step
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and of course, controversial Petri was even in 2014 when he tweeted that V/M should have placed first in the finn step
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please try to understand that first nations is not just an australian thing. Meeting the first nations leader in canada was a positive thing. do i agree that D/S were completely out of line? yes... but the thing that kills first nations is indifference.... and this had a relatively positive effect in canada. Vancouver was pretty much entirely inhabited by first nations until settled by the europeans. The collaboration had been ongoing for years. I went to university on first nations territory. without the gift of the Musqueam tribes, there wouldn't have been universities. olympic games, etc.... Vancouverites appreciate the First Nations legacy and history... sure this dance wasn't about Canadian first nations... but the fact that the Russians at least seeked to meet with local tribes was a very positive thing. I don't think it was a blow to Australia... or small countries...
it was a lack of judgment from the Russians... a lack of perspective.... a lack of consideration.. however, by meeting with the Canadian tribes in Vancouver, it helped to show the world that yes, those are still relevant and current issues. I have been all over North America and I have never seen a place like BC in terms of cohabitation between the colons and the first nations. It's something to be celebrated if you can see the half full glass
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I'm not an idiot, thanks. I know "First Nations" is not just an Australian thing, but the program was specifically targeting Australian Indigenous culture, not Canadian. Therefore, it was entirely inappropriate for them to act like having a meeting with Canadian First Nations made everything better, because it didn't. They never apologised to the Australian Indigenous people, there was no meeting with Australian Indigenous elders, they got away scot-free because they got to have their meeting with a culture that was not affected by their program and still got a frigging Olympic medal out of it.
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i understand what you are saying .. i am not an idiot either
and i know that Canada's first nations are not Australia's first nations... what i am referring too though is that i believe that the skaters themselves were very ignorant... their team... STUPID>. the skaters??? i am not sure... so once facing the reality, what could they do? yes, they should have reached out via phone/internet to Australian first nations but they got the opportunity to meet with very loving and accepting Canadian ones... so they probably thought they were alright...
look i think we are on the same team here : this dance was (oh... GS won't let me write it down)
however where we disagree : i was happy with them meeting with the first nations in vancouver because it gave one more podium to the first nations... and those are hard to get when media doesn't not give a (other word GS won't let me have)
PS i am part first nations...not like it matters in this discussion
PS2 what have you ever done for the first nations of australia?
There was no stupidity! Linichuk is not stupid. She had two other teams who were ranked very highly! B/A and F/S didn’t have aboriginal OD or Ropes in their free dances. Everything was totally strategic and not out of stupidity or ignorance. You think you don’t change something that’s so controversial everyone is calling you racist if that was not in fact the strategy all along?!? Did First Nations demand d/s change their program? Unknown!
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well... that's an interesting perspective... so you are saying that they did that on purpose? to promote racism? by "making fun" of a culture, by appropriating it? gosh.. i hope the Argentinians are clement on all those teams doing tango in the recent future...
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Indigenous leaders here in Australia actually did speak against the program: https://www.smh.com.au/sport/aborig...s-russian-pair-on-thin-ice-20100120-mls9.html D/S and their coach said they created the program in good faith, the problem was they didn't consult actual Aboriginal Australians in the creation of it, which I suppose would have been hard with the language barrier, but the fact is if you're going to do a dance that's part of a culture of people who've traditionally been treated cruelly you have to be careful, because there's all ready so many negative portrayals of these cultures.
In comparison here is Danielle O'Brien and Greg Merriman's Aboriginal Dance: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eCUKYUD3RiM which is both respectful and accurate!
Ooh, just recalled another recent controversial program - Ilinykh/Katsalapov's "Ghost" FD from the 2012/13 season. That voice-over :hopelessness: Although there were programs with voice-over before, and definitely many more after (Looooooooooooove, oh Loveeeeeeee~ (well, tbh, that one is mostly just awful singing, but there is some voice over) ), this one was one of the very view to feature it that extensively. To my mind, it was a failed experiment, although I commend them for thinking outside of the box. Either way, voice-overs in FS programs are definitely a point of contention.
"HEY YOU!!"
Someone was skating to Ghost this season actually and I was wondering if they'd have the same voice-overs...thankfully they did not.
I've accepted and learnt to enjoy lyrics in program music, but just say no to voice overs!
Back to the topic...in terms of Exhibition skates there is Yags's "One Banana" Program...I can't figure out if it's racist, or a loving tribute to bananas (Yags famously loves bananas...they were very hard to get in Russia back in the 90s, so...)
Not to promote racism! Racists don’t meet First Nations!! The main effort in all of Linichuks planning was minimize attention and minimize stress on Shabalins knee. People are glossing over the fact that Shabalin lost a knee but had no interest in retiring before Vancouver. May not have been allowed. I don’t know! But just like Linichuk used ropes in the free dance she needed something in the original dance. So she came up with outrage. Nbc called it gimmicks. But either way the program distracted everyone From Shabalin not having two knees anymore and the subsequent massive deterioration in his skating skills. Linichuk is a totally western liberal woman. SHE is a liberal american.
There was no language barrier. LInichuk being American and speaking perfect English
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Bestemianova and Bukin's Rasputin program
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=9OuAYxDOvwM
They used this in professional competitions.
Practically every possible controversial feature:
Gunshots, check, crossdressing, check, politics, check, religion, check, death, check
But they did not manage a hole in the ice for Rasputin to disappear into at the end. That was the only thing missing.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=9OuAYxDOvwM
They used this in professional competitions.
Practically every possible controversial feature:
Gunshots, check, crossdressing, check, politics, check, religion, check, death, check
But they did not manage a hole in the ice for Rasputin to disappear into at the end. That was the only thing missing.
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And this has what to do with the discussion? I am not accountable to you, I am not here to detail any of my community work or my specialised training. This is another of your classic deflections.
It is not acceptable that D/S and everyone decided it was fine after the discussions with Canadian First Nations. But Australia was told to go sit in the corner and shut up, because the big countries had it all handled and little Australia didn't need to concern itself with anything further.
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Zhiganshina and Gazsi's zombie dance was a little bit too out there for some when it first came out. It has appropriate OTT make-up, sound effects and facial expressions, hair pulling, a fake spider on her, attempted murder and murder at the end....their signature program 
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Zhiganshina and Gazsi's zombie dance was a little bit too out there for some when it first came out. It has appropriate OTT make-up, sound effects and facial expressions, hair pulling, a fake spider on her, attempted murder and murder at the end....their signature program
Oh my goodness. I've never seen this before. I love it.
I have such a soft spot for programs where it looks like the skaters are genuinely having fun.
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and of course, controversial Petri was even in 2014 when he tweeted that V/M should have placed first in the finn step
My two cents:
Yes, I see your wink, but what an extraneous comment. [ETA: To be super-clear, I am referring to 4everchan's comment, not Kokko's.]
IMO, if anyone is entitled to have opinions on the Finnstep, it would be Kokko, as an inventor of the Finnstep.
And Kokko's opinions were based on the SDs as competed at 2014 OWG (as opposed to being based on pre-existing bias).
IIRC (I am paraphrasing what Kokko tweeted):
IMO, if anyone is entitled to have opinions on the Finnstep, it would be Kokko, as an inventor of the Finnstep.
And Kokko's opinions were based on the SDs as competed at 2014 OWG (as opposed to being based on pre-existing bias).
IIRC (I am paraphrasing what Kokko tweeted):
After watching the SDs of the individual comp at 2014 OWG in real time, Kokko tweeted that D/W's Finnstep was the best of the individual comp.
After watching the SDs of the team event in real time, Kokko had tweeted that V/M's Finnstep was the best of the team event.
After watching the SDs of the team event in real time, Kokko had tweeted that V/M's Finnstep was the best of the team event.
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Oh my goodness. I've never seen this before. I love it.
Ya, this type of program only works if the skaters have fun, otherwise it can become cringeworthy for the audience. Glad you enjoyed it!
you're right, I should have specified "an adult who understands English". I'm not even a native a speaker, but it's def enough for me to cringe, as said. And seeing as English is easily one of the most widely-known/understood languages internationally... However, I don't think it matters all that much. The words are there, whether the single viewer understands them or not. If it was in another language, any language, it would still be inappropriate.
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Oh we knew Shabalin wasn't at his best. Not only was that OD horrible cultural appropriation but the skating/choreography itself was so ghastly. Especially for a bronze. :disapp:
Yes of course you and lots of others knew of Shabalin deterioration but first priority was talking about being outraged at the racism of aboriginal dance! Some analysis like I heard on US or Eurosport was how such amazing talents shouldn’t be doing something like aboriginal! So some didn’t even talk about deterioration at all. And it also took attention away from the ropes in the free dance. Though the isu would vote them legal
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Let me state this first:
I love Davis and White. Definitely one of my favourite ice dancers( after v/M though )
But did anyone feel off about their Indian Folk dance? Something about the exaggerated movements and.... You know..
But it was certainly different and creative.
I'm going to leave before I anger the whole fandom.
I personally think that their program was a very good example of how to perform to a dance belonging to another culture without being offending or appearing disrespectful.
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