I would love for Keegan to win bronze over Vincent. His elements are really spectacular :thumbsup:.
I think it can only happen if Vincent's URs get striking enough to prevent overlooking them in FS.
I would love for Keegan to win bronze over Vincent. His elements are really spectacular :thumbsup:.
This whole more/difficult quads = more PCS proposition you're trying to defend makes a bunch of assumptions that aren't always true. For example, I don't necessarily think a quad provides a greater musical highlight than a triple just by virtue of being harder. To borrow an example from pairs, S/M's huge +3 GOE throw 3F or T/M's gigantic +3 GOE throw 3Lo are MUCH more impressive musical highlights than D/R's throw 4S, which is relatively smaller, entered with less speed with a longer entrance, and landed with less flow than the throw triples of S/M or T/M.
And all your points only make sense if a program with quads is directly comparable to the exact same program with triples. But that usually doesn't happen in reality--in reality, a lot of skaters who do difficult quads take out choreography to incorporate long set-ups into quads that they don't need for triples, tighten up and don't really perform until all their quads are landed, etc. (which is totally understandable--quads are difficult!). For example, just compare Nathan Chen's programs from earlier this season at the US Int'l FS Classic to the program he's doing now at Worlds and at the Olympics, particularly the LP. Chen's programs--particularly the LP--looked amazing at the beginning of the season with a ton of detail in the choreography and he was performing the programs with great emotional depth and commitment while doing fewer, easier quads. By the time the Olympics rolled around, he took out a ton of choreographic detail particularly in his LP and mostly skated around setting up for his six quads and didn't really perform until all the jumps were over. Even if you ignore the fact that Chen watered down his choreography, it's a huge stretch to say that his program deserved higher PCS in IN, PE, etc. just by virtue of him having six quads. It's the same for Shoma Uno, who's doing more crossovers than ever to set up for all the quads in his programs this season.
That's why I'm OK with Kolyada receiving high PCS despite only doing 1-quad SP here. Without the 4Lz hanging over his head in the SP, he was visibly more relaxed and performed much better in between the jumps than he usually does.
I know US media built this image of Nathan Chen being not just a great jumper but also very artistic but when you break down all his elements, it's not that true.
His components shouldn't be higher than Deniss Vasiljevs or Dmitri Aliev.
I'm not going based off any media. I'm going from what I saw in the program and/or the skater. Nathan has a lot of natural charisma.
I'm not going based off any media. I'm going from what I saw in the program and/or the skater. Nathan has a lot of natural charisma.
It's the same for Shoma Uno, who's doing more crossovers than ever to set up for all the quads in his programs this season.
I think rather than to focus on the past, we should focus on the future. Of course, we'll miss the older generation, but I said it at the GPF. These guys who are competing here, will be the dominant skaters for the next 4 years in the men event. Better get used to them, instead of crying about who isn't here. (Or become one of these people who say they are done with FS, but always return)
While attempting another dig at Shoma is completely unsurprising, this statement of yours is fundamentally misleading and factually incorrect. I don't consider skating around the edges to generate speed as "set up", I consider the steps leading into the jumps as setup. Sure, he might have 2-4 crosscuts around the edges of the rink to generate speed (which is completely normal for skaters do; e.g. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QqFkzY5XxUo#t=2m47s), but he's not just simply doing crossovers into the quads -- he's still doing actual transitions going into these quads.
Exhibit A (4T at WC2018 SP - the SP he just did): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VjLbLNHhoH0#t=50s
Exhibit B (4L at SC2017 FS): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8-qOKb5WoX4#t=50s
Exhibit C (4F at GPF2017 FS): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oJPbgl65_94#t=3m30s
Exhibit D (4T combo at Lombardia 2017 FS): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y27_bUXsuUo&t=3m38s (this one is pretty much the same setup as Hanyu's 3 crosscuts prior to the double-3 transition)
And those are just a couple of examples, of different quads, from 4 different competitions throughout this season.
If you look at Shoma's programs from past seasons, he has far more interesting and musical choreographic content between the jumps that aren't simply transitions coming before jumps. That was what I was referring to.
I'm actually a big fan of Shoma (if you look at my past posts, you'll find plenty of posts defending his skating). And contrary to what you may believe, my comment wasn't a dig, simply an expression of how disappointed I am with Shoma's programs this season given that I believe he is capable of far more than what he is currently showing on the PCS side.
Okay, weirdo confession time.
Something about Dmitri and this program is super sexy in a historical romance hero kind of way. He's not really that hot (and too young for me if I'm being honest), but the way he carries himself to the music + the costume REALLY works for me.
That 4Lz combo looked jaw-droppingly easy. Shame about the pop.
Have you read the Second Mark? It really made me feel for the Chinese skaters and how hard they have to work to get those PCS marks.
Because he does not have skating skills anywhere near to PChan, nor the performance ability of a Daisuke or Lambiel or anything to merit those absurd PCS scores. Because he was propped up all season partly because of the myth that he had multiple quads, which he obviously does not. Because he's been overscored at every competition this season and now he gets a score higher than Dima got in Pyeongchang with a 4lz-3t and 4t???
With all jumps in the first half? Sure, good for him for finally skating one clean program after watering down the content. But there's no justification for a 100+ score here.
I hope the scoring at this men's event in Milan is not indicative of things of to come. Judging has always been controversial in FS - as in most "judged" sports. I think many of the judges need tutorials as to how to apply the correct GOE's. There are guidelines of how to apply them and looking at some of these "more than generous" scores given, they need a refresher course. I take no exception with Nathan winning the WC - he skated clean in the short when every one of his competitors fell all over the place but I take real exception to how OVER SCORED he was based on the what was delivered. It's not doing the sport or the skater any favours! Plus I can't stand his coach - UGH. Team BOrser all the way!