2019-20 Russian Ladies' Figure Skating

[KOBOT37]

Wait, people seriously think Liza deserves higher pcs than Anna? uh... okay.

 

[Greengemmonster]

Wait, people seriously think Liza deserves higher pcs than Anna? uh... okay.

I'm not even a fan of Anna's and I find the campaigns against her skating both ludicrous and tedious.

Poor girl has done nothing but skate really well and delivered each time (with quads!!!) but she's constantly cited as the one to bomb and be dropped off the team. Really??????

I don't even follow her especially but it's come up so many times now it's hard not to notice!

 

[KOBOT37]

Harsh reaction on Tarasova's comment was probably triggered by her past behaviour more than her last comment. Although... I doubt Eteri liked her calling Alina a bad liar and that 'careers shouldn't end in 3 seasons' (combined with her last comments about age restrictions) much.

Plushenko's comment... coming from a coach himself (at least, it is what he calls himself) that comment was simply rude and against basic professional ethic.

Reaction this harsh,from a team which is known for silence was surprising...Pretty much every word that statement said is right but, Eteri could have said exactly same thing many times before but she decided not to. Either she had enough of it or there was (is?) something going behind the scenes, possibly rumours about alleged coaching change wasn't that unfounded and somebody really tried to convince Alina to leave the team?!

 

[TripleAxelQueens3]

I don’t know if it’s been mentioned but it looks like Sofia Muravyeva and another skater who is unknown to me has joined Tutberidze’s team.

 

[Mathman]

Hanyu, Chen and Boyang have real quads.

I hope the Russian Federation comes to its senses and sends these three to Euros and Worlds in ladies. They could sweep the podium. :yes:

 

[Azikin]

I don’t know if it’s been mentioned but it looks like Sofia Muravyeva and another skater who is unknown to me has joined Tutberidze’s team.

Really? In the middle of the season? Well I guess in case of Muravyova it wouldn't be too surprising, she probably expected better results this season..

 

[Edwin]

Viktoriya Safonova warming up for her free skate now in the BLR national championships: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fv_pysqz6sM , she had a few small errors in her SP, but is probably able to come back and win. BLR native Milana Romashova leads after SP by a very small margin.

Will Safonova be able to represent BLR in Euros and Worlds yet?

 

[Edwin]

Sofia Muravieva is now coached by Eteri https://www.instagram.com/p/B6Dp0-JK1q6/?igshid=15m7lu2c83xr

Kondarantsev is general director of MosKomSport, a powerful ally also, since Sambo-70 is one of the biggest schools governed by MosKomSport.

Posting liked by none other than Svetlana Khorkina, is she in any capacity aligned with MosKomSport, since she is from the CSKA column (some kind of vice president)?

Also some below-the-belt insinuation against Gleikhengauz, a complaint from a parent from a less expensive sport, etc. etc., the usual social media to-and-fro

 

[Edwin]

Really? In the middle of the season? Well I guess in case of Muravyova it wouldn't be too surprising, she probably expected better results this season..

Muravyova radiates, but she always had a very expressive face. Is Sof'ya JGP eligible next season, along with Petrosyan? Akat'yeva isn't, which is both good and bad, because she can be really strong and experienced in her first junior season, in two years from now.

So the smallest girl in the front row and the girl with Asian features on the right are the unknowns? Perhaps probationers still, even Muravyova?

The small girl might be Yelena Kostyleva: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=beJ5WM40O7A , who butted fists with Sergey Davydov it seems, so again a former CSKA skater, just like Muravyova?

 

[Edwin]

Brawls over yesterday's IG posting by #TeamTutberidzeForProgress continues:
introductory postings:
https://www.sport-express.ru/figure...-specialisty-tatyana-tarasova-mnenie-1622001/
https://www.sports.ru/tribuna/blogs/figureice/2667812.html
https://www.sports.ru/tribuna/blogs/allresp/2667052.html
https://www.sports.ru/tribuna/blogs/russiateam/2666874.html
https://www.sports.ru/figure-skating/1081338959.html

Plyushchenko returns harshly: https://www.instagram.com/p/B6Fm4TigxyH/ , there is no text to copy, since it is screenshots?

https://www.sports.ru/figure-skating/1081357331.html
https://www.sports.ru/figure-skating/1081356650.html
bragging about 'connections', here in FFKKR, there in politics and everywhere in show business?

Now, is there even a real 'conflict' as some of the Russian e-press suggests?

Interesting to follow, in order to find out who sides with whom, where the actual power lies and how this might, or might not, influence any decisions after Nationals.

Not only a change of generations on the ice, but also a power struggle in the off-ice ranks is at hand?

 

[seraf]

I love the drama in the russian skating world Just hope that it doesn't affect the skaters too much in the end..

Can someone please translate Plushenko's instagram post for us non-russian speakers?

 

[halulupu]

I believe that alinas announcement is rather a big blow for eteri. It consolidateds her status as a tremendously successful girls children coach. Yet again her magic doesn't work for 17+. She will never reach the status of a legendary coach if she is not successful with let's say typically women body types (I know tursybayeva, but she is very special). 3a are her next chances. Lets see what happens. The odds are against her. But I believe trusova and aljona are her best chances yet to break this spell

 

[KOBOT37]

Plushenko's post is too long, few key points :

1. mentioned money several times, indirectly implying that for Eteri, Alina is (was?)a commercial project.

2. Denied that he ever tried to get Zagitova to join his team.

3.claimed that Alina herself asked advice several times and implied that it was due to lack of attention ("Athletes are people too, sometimes they need few kind words")from Eteri and other coaches.

4. Plushenko claims that he gave her advice about Quads too.

5. Blamed Eteri for getting girls with all 3s and never having taught anybody from zero.

6. Called Eteri 'manager' not a coach, because "all the jumps are taught by Dudakov"

7. Defended TAT biggrin: )

 

[DenissVFan]

The atmosphere at RusNats is going to be tense...

 

[flanker]

Plushenko's post is too long, few key points :

1. mentioned money several times, indirectly implying that for Eteri, Alina is (was?)a commercial project.

2. Denied that he ever tried to get Zagitova to join his team.

3.claimed that Alina herself asked advice several times and implied that it was due to lack of attention ("Athletes are people too, sometimes they need few kind words")from Eteri and other coaches.

4. Plushenko claims that he gave her advice about Quads too.

5. Blamed Eteri for getting girls with all 3s and never having taught anybody from zero.

6. Called Eteri 'manager' not a coach, because "all the jumps are taught by Dudakov"

7. Defended TAT biggrin: )

Plushenko completely buried himself with this hypocricy. What is his own "Angels of Plushenko" project if not a commercial one? Did he raise any skater from the beginning? Eteri did. Also, precisely Alina was not taken into Eteri's team with "all triples", she had just one in that moment. Does Plushenko pay attention to his team? No, decesive amount of work is done by Volkov and others, not by him. And so on.

 

[flanker]

BTW everyone should read new Alina's post - obviously a reaction to everything that occured after her announcement:

https://www.instagram.com/p/B6GK1qXpEED/

(As usually, Alina provides it in russian, english and japanese)

And again it shows that Alina is completely loyal and devoted to her team.

 

[Edwin]

I love the drama in the russian skating world Just hope that it doesn't affect the skaters too much in the end..

Can someone please translate Plushenko's instagram post for us non-russian speakers?

"So, dear Eteri! Do not be dashing while it is quiet. For your, as you wrote, “coaching staff”, Zagitova’s departure, of course, is a loss. I believe that you are upset and this is also understandable.

I understand that Alina, for you as a sports manager (you do not insist that all professionals call you a coach, because Sergey Dudakov puts the entire technical jumping part), brought tangible income.

As a person who is not quite far from sports and especially figure skating (I hope you don’t even want to question this obvious circumstance), I was asked to comment on this, of course, sensational news in the world of sports. Of course, I commented.

Watching Alina for a long time, I made some assumptions, including based on professional criteria.

As a person averse to insults or evil sarcasm, I, it seems to me, was extremely correct in all statements. Moreover, I do not have the habit of being rude to women. But I was infinitely surprised by your reaction to my words, because it seems to me very boorish.

And it is impossible to excuse it, even if you understand the whole degree of frustration from the loss by your "headquarters" of not only a talented, but also a very profitable project.

I never tried to "lure", as you write, Alina to me, like anyone else, all the more humiliating you in her eyes. I understand that it’s very easy to model someone’s actions on the basis of the well-known “dress by yourself” formula, but, by God, Eteri!

If I wanted to “lure” someone, believe me, my authority and resources would be enough for an impressive list, for the whole Plushenko-Team, with good salaries and large sponsorship contracts, but so far there is only Team Tutberidze. You still haven’t messed up anything?

I don’t know for what reasons (perhaps a lack of attention, empathy - athletes are people too, and sometimes they also need a good human attitude just like people, and not like machines for knocking out the result), but Alina herself asked me several times on a show in Japan, to 'tell her something'.

Respecting other people's contracts and obligations, I, of course, did not intend to intervene outside my competence. Everything depended only on herself. He gave her only a few purely professional advice when she believed that she was in a certain impasse, including mastering the quadruple jumps. On this, all my mythical luring ended.

And remind me, by the way, who did you bring up from scratch? Maybe Sasha Trusova or Kamila Valiyeva, Alyona Kostornaya or Anya Shcherbakova? Yuliya Lipnitskaya or Alina Zagitova? After all, everyone knows that Team Tutberidze takes only ready-made children with triple jumps so as not to over-steam. Of course, you have no equal in luring you ”
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From: https://www.sports.ru/figure-skating/1081356650.html
not sure if this covers all the screenshots Plyushchenko's posting consists of.

All the coaches and skaters are training today for the National Championships, so perhaps no immediate reactions until trainings concluded. Even then, better leave it at this and 'resume' after Nationals?

 

[flanker]

If I wanted to “lure” someone, believe me, my authority and resources would be enough for an impressive list, for the whole Plushenko-Team, with good salaries and large sponsorship contracts, but so far there is only Team Tutberidze. You still haven’t messed up anything?

This man's ego is disgusting. :disagree:

 

[Edwin]

BTW everyone should read new Alina's post - obviously a reaction to everything that occured after her announcement:

https://www.instagram.com/p/B6FwhffJ0BC/

(As usually Alina, provides it in russian, english and japanese)

And again iot shows that Alina is completely loyal and devoted to her team.

Alina must have been so nervous, but still managed exceptionally well given the weight and importance of her interview. She will be on Urgant's show together with Navka, on the subject of the coming ice spectacle, December 16.

#TeamTutberidzeForProgress forever

 

[KOBOT37]

People who are asking what influence can TAT or Plushenko have have little to no understanding of how Russia works.

Saying TAT has no influence in Russian Figure skating is like saying Sir Alex Ferguson has no influence in English football.

Plushenko is multiple times OGM winner and has been in the sport for a very long time, that means he knows too many too powerful people both in Sports world and outside of Sports world. So Yeah, when he says he could gather team with Many big names using his authority,he isn't wrong.

Eteri either has full backing from Navka or thinks with 3A she is simply too strong, or most likely it was emotional response to everything that is going on around her now.

p.s Plushenko's opinion that Alina is monetary project for Eteri, is extremely popular on Russian internet. (so is opinion that Eteri intentionally harmed Alina because she was afraid Alina could Beat 3A... comments like these are most likely what caused Eteri's sister going crazy(and btw, what the hell where people doing on her IG page to begin with?!))

p.p.s If Plushenko thinks that... blaming coaches for not giving enough attention to their athletes (or attention 'olympic champion deserves') and openly suggesting coaching change is polite way to express your opinion when you are a coach and 'not far from sport' then I have no idea what to say.