2015 Cup of China Short Dance

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6 - 8 Nov 2015
Beijing China

SHORT DANCE

15:30 (UTC +8) November 6, 2015


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11/6/2015 2:30am Short Dance

START ORDER​

StN.	Name	Nation
	Warm-Up Group 1
1	Yue CONG / Zhuoming SUN	CHN
2	Yue ZHAO / Xun ZHENG	CHN
3	Shiyue WANG / Xinyu LIU	CHN
4	Federica TESTA / Lukas CSOLLEY	SVK
	Warm-Up Group 2
5	Elena ILINYKH / Ruslan ZHIGANSHIN	RUS
6	Kaitlin HAWAYEK / Jean-Luc BAKER	USA
7	Anna CAPPELLINI / Luca LANOTTE	ITA
8	Madison CHOCK / Evan BATES	USA

​ENTRIES​

No.	Name	Nation
1	Yue CONG / Zhuoming SUN	CHN
	SD March, Waltz; choreo by Angelika Krylova and Pasquale Camerlengo FD Michael Bublé Medley; choreo by Angelika Krylova and Pasquale Camerlengo
	FAN FEST: http://www.goldenskate.com/forum/sh...e-Cong-amp-Zhuoming-Sun&p=1270101#post1270101
2	Shiyue WANG / Xinyu LIU	CHN
	SD Waltz: Piano Man by Billy Joel, Foxtrot: Fever by Peggy Lee by Michael Bublé; choreo by Angelika Krylova and Pasquale Camerlengo FD Night Fight (from Crouching Tiger, Hidden Dragon) by Yo-Yo Ma and Tan Dun, A Love Before Time (from Crouching Tiger, Hidden Dragon) by Coco Lee, Fury, Hammer, And Tongs(from Jade Empire) by Jack Wall; choreo by Angelika Krylova and Pasquale Camerlengo
	Fan Fest: http://www.goldenskate.com/forum/showthread.php?55347-Wang-Shiyue-amp-Liu-Xinyu
3	Yue ZHAO / Xun ZHENG	CHN
	SD Waltz: La Valse Champagne by Patrick Doyle, Polka: La Polka de Paris by Patrick Doyle; choreo by Marina Zueva, Oleg Epstein, Massimo Scali FD Je suis malade by Lara Fabian; choreo by Marina Zueva, Oleg Epstein, Massimo Scali
	FAN FEST: http://www.goldenskate.com/forum/showthread.php?55339-Zhao-Yue-amp-Zheng-Xun&p=1165124#post1165124
4	Anna CAPPELLINI / Luca LANOTTE	ITA
	SD Waltz and Polka from the operetta The Merry Widow by Franz Lehar FD Medley of Fellini soundtracks by Nino Rota, including The Nights of Cabiria, Amarcord, and 8 1/2
	FAN FEST: http://www.goldenskate.com/forum/showthread.php?39270-Anna-Cappellini-amp-Luca-Lanotte
5	Elena ILINYKH / Ruslan ZHIGANSHIN	RUS
	SD Somebody to love, We will rock you by Queen; choreo by Elena Kustarova, Olga Riabinina, Antonio Najarro FD Frida soundtrack; choreo by Elena Kustarova, Olga Riabinina, Antonio Najarro
	FAN FEST: http://www.goldenskate.com/forum/showthread.php?50387-Elena-Ilinykh-amp-Ruslan-Zhigashin
6	Federica TESTA / Lukas CSOLLEY	SVK
	SD Medley of songs danced to by Fred Astaire and Ginger Rogers - "Waltz in Swing Time" performed by Jerome Kern, "They Can't Take That Away From Me" by George Gershwin, performed by Tony Bennett, and "That's Entertainment" by Henry Mancini; choreo by Paola Mezzadri, Corrado Giordani, Barbara Riboldi FD Malena soundtrack by Ennio Morricone (Passeggiata In Paese by Ennio Morricone, Kutlama by Mr. Avant Garde Folk, Ma l'amore no by Ennio Morricone, Orgia by Ennio Morricone; choreo by Paola Mezzadri, Corrado Giordani, Barbara Riboldi
	FAN FEST: http://www.goldenskate.com/forum/showthread.php?55772-Federica-Testa-amp-Luk%E1%9A-Cs%F6lley
7	Madison CHOCK / Evan BATES	USA
	SD "More" by Andrea Bocelli and "Unchained Melody" by Il Divo; choreo by Igor Shpilband (new program) FD Concerto No. 2 Adagio by Sergei Rachmaninov, Concerto No. 2 Allegro by Sergei Rachmaninov; choreo by Igor Shpilband
	Fan Fest: http://www.goldenskate.com/forum/showthread.php?49489-Madison-Chock-amp-Evan-Bates
8	Kaitlin HAWAYEK / Jean-Luc BAKER	USA
	SD The Waltz of the Flowers and the Nutcracker March from Tchaikovsky's Nutcracker Suite; choreo by P. Camerlengo & A. Krylova FD The Theory of Everything (soundtrack) by Johann Johannsson; choreo by P. Camerlengo & A. Krylova
	Fan Fest: http://www.goldenskate.com/forum/showthread.php?51106-Kaitlin-Hawayek-amp-Jean-Luc-Baker

 

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ICE DANCE

No.	Name	Nation
1	Yue CONG / Zhuoming SUN	CHN
2	Shiyue WANG / Xinyu LIU	CHN
3	Yue ZHAO / Xun ZHENG	CHN
4	Anna CAPPELLINI / Luca LANOTTE	ITA
5	Elena ILINYKH / Ruslan ZHIGANSHIN	RUS
6	Federica TESTA / Lukas CSOLLEY	SVK
7	Madison CHOCK / Evan BATES	USA
8	Kaitlin HAWAYEK / Jean-Luc BAKER	USA

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[tulosai]

This is going to be a very interesting one!

 

[Snow63]

Top 3 is kinda unpredictable here. I think Chock/Bates are favorites, that's for sure, but Cappellini/Lanotte can score very high, in my opinion. And you never know how judges will react on Ilinykh/Zhiganshin ..ummm... creative short dance

 

[Kitt]

Top 3 is kinda unpredictable here. I think Chock/Bates are favorites, that's for sure, but Cappellini/Lanotte can score very high, in my opinion. And you never know how judges will react on Ilinykh/Zhiganshin ..ummm... creative short dance

I know it's a different discipline, but judges didn't seem to freak out over Scimeka/Kneirim's Metallica short program (awarded first place at SA!)

 

[Weathergal]

I know it's a different discipline, but judges didn't seem to freak out over Scimeka/Kneirim's Metallica short program (awarded first place at SA!)

True, but ice dance, even though the first to allow lyrics, seems much pickier/more conservative with music choices, especially in the SD. But I'm hoping you're right because their SD is growing on me, and I really like them as a team.

 

[Snow63]

I know it's a different discipline, but judges didn't seem to freak out over Scimeka/Kneirim's Metallica short program (awarded first place at SA!)

Well, yes. That's what I meant, you never know. It could be a hit. But they don't have home field advantage as Scimeca/Knierim had. So we'll see, it's really interesting to see how judges will take it

 

[dorispulaski]

In the SD, the rhythms are a requirement, and there is also a requirement that the beat be consistent. It is actually timed during the competition. So enforcing the rules is not being picky. Correct timing is key in dance competition. It is why it is part of a PCS category in the FD as well as the SD.

OTOH, in previous years, rules and deductions for bad timing and incorrect rhythyms have been enforced in a spotty and inconsistent fashion, something I disapprove even more. IMO if you have a rule, you should enforce it or get rid of the rule.

Frankly, I would deduct for I/Z's waltz because it is in 6/8 time, and is not a waltz. This is completely independent of how they skate it, or whether music is modern or baroque era. If you enter the world's best chihuahua in the English sheepdog category at the Westminster Dog Show, he should not win or even place.

There is even a very old joke about this:
http://www.puff.com/forums/vb/jokes-forum/14814-shaggy-dog-contest.html

At the shaggy dog contest, the judge should look at the chihuahua and say, "That's not a shaggy dog at all.

 

[Snow63]

In the SD, the rhythms are a requirement, and there is also a requirement that the beat be consistent. It is actually timed during the competition. So enforcing the rules is not being picky. Correct timing is key in dance competition. It is why it is part of a PCS category in the FD as well as the SD.

OTOH, in previous years, rules and deductions for bad timing and incorrect rhythyms have been enforced in a spotty and inconsistent fashion, something I disapprove even more. IMO if you have a rule, you should enforce it or get rid of the rule.

Frankly, I would deduct for I/K's waltz because it is in 6/8 time, and is not a waltz. This is completely independent of how they skate it, or whether music is modern or baroque era. If you enter the world's best chihuahua in the English sheepdog category at the Westminster Dog Show, he should not win or even place.

There is even a very old joke about this:
http://www.puff.com/forums/vb/jokes-forum/14814-shaggy-dog-contest.html

At the shaggy dog contest, the judge should look at the chihuahua and say, "That's not a shaggy dog at all.

I'm not sure if you mean Ilinykh/Zhiganshin, or Sinitsina/Katsalapov. But I assume it's Ilinykh/Zhiganshin since you posted it in Cup of China thread and they're going to skate there.
I was 100% sure that STL had 3/4 time signature, at least that's what I heard by my ear. But after googling I see that it's actually 6/8. That means you are absolutely correct and there should be music violation deduction. I wonder if panel would be brave enough to actually apply it in Elena and Ruslan case.
Judges and referee were pretty forgiving to Weaver/Poje's Elvis SD, there should have been a deduction for music violation too, since it was also in 6/8 time.

 

[Marta25]

I'm not sure if you mean Ilinykh/Zhiganshin, or Sinitsina/Katsalapov. But I assume it's Ilinykh/Zhiganshin since you posted it in Cup of China thread and they're going to skate there.
I was 100% sure that STL had 3/4 time signature, at least that's what I heard by my ear. But after googling I see that it's actually 6/8. That means you are absolutely correct and there should be music violation deduction. I wonder if panel would be brave enough to actually apply it in Elena and Ruslan case.
Judges and referee were pretty forgiving to Weaver/Poje's Elvis SD, there should have been a deduction for music violation too, since it was also in 6/8 time.

Hmmm, I googled it too and found out it`s a 3/4.

Halina Gordon-Półtorak was at the panel in Saransk, I guess she would have said something to Elena and Ruslan if something is wrong with STL.

 

[dorispulaski]

I did mean I&Z. AFAIR, S&K used the Waltz from Swan Lake, which is fine.


Yes, but remember W&P were warned, perhaps at the judges' review?, and changed it. Probably a judge or two voted to take the deduction not a majority.

And several music deductions have been taken at several competitions for other teams. It is in the air this year.

That said, I doubt the judges will be brave enough

 

[Snow63]

Hmmm, I googled it too and found out it`s a 3/4.

Halina Gordon-Półtorak was at the panel in Saransk, I guess she would have said something to Elena and Ruslan if something is wrong with STL.

She was referee? Only Referee and judges are responsible for music violation, not technical panel.

About 3/4 or 6/8: I'm not going to say anything for sure, I'm not an expert. I need to look at notes, I don't have time now, and I'm from my phone. I'll try to check it tomorrow morning

 

[Marta25]

She was referee? Only Referee and judges are responsible for music violation, not technical panel.

About 3/4 or 6/8: I'm not going to say anything for sure, I'm not an expert. I need to look at notes, I don't have time now, and I'm from my phone. I'll try to check it tomorrow morning

No, she was the Technical Controller, but she is the chair-holder of the technical committee for ice dancing, so I hope, she would have warned them.

Anyway, I`m so excited to see how I/Z will do against C/L and C/B

 

[bramweld]

I am certain they would have been advised to edit the music to get the required beat requirements. Although I agree with most, just excited to see the improvements made on the dance, not to mention their new gala, finally.

They may not have a traditional waltz in terms of music, but they sure dance it as though it were, very, very nicely; lovely extension, energy and attention to detail.

F-B/S don't have what one might traditionally be considered a waltz do they? C/B as well? Did they earn the requisite deductions? I don't recall....but all in all let's just wait and see.

 

[LisaM]

Weird to hear that I/Z's waltz might be 6/8, as I'm not good with the technicalities of music at all but their waltz beat was the most clear to me out of all the top teams (so far), at least before C/B and W/P changed theirs.

 

[bramweld]

Weird to hear that I/Z's waltz might be 6/8, as I'm not good with the technicalities of music at all but their waltz beat was the most clear to me out of all the top teams (so far), at least before C/B and W/P changed theirs.

We'll know soon enough. Changes may or may not be necessary and all will be for the better. Best to know these things earlier rather than later. But it just goes to show how pointless Russian test skates can be if something as important as this wasn't picked up then :shocked::dumb::hslap::hap85: Loving the new emoticons, can't you tell..LOL.

 

[Snow63]

I am certain they would have been advised to edit the music to get the required beat requirements. Although I agree with most, just excited to see the improvements made on the dance, not to mention their new gala, finally.

They may not have a traditional waltz in terms of music, but they sure dance it as though it were, very, very nicely; lovely extension, energy and attention to detail.

F-B/S don't have what one might traditionally be considered a waltz do they? C/B as well? Did they earn the requisite deductions? I don't recall....but all in all let's just wait and see.

It's not 'beat requirements' (there's no such thing), and not even tempo violation, it's called music violation. If it would be tempo violation (not met 'beat requirements' as you say), it would be just 1 point deduction. But music violation is actually 2 points deduction, and most probably 'timing' mistake in all keypoints, which require steps and turns during particular beats.
You can edit the music to make tempo slower or faster, but you can't 'edit' music to make it 3/4 from 6/8, it's impossible, you need to re-do it completely. That being said, if there is slightest doubt that music requirements are not met, even if deduction was not applied at any particular competition, a team still need to keep it in mind that it could 'show up' at Euros or even Worlds later during the season. It's not a pleasant surprise. You can skate the pattern PERFECTLY, and very, very nicely; with lovely extension, energy and attention to detail, and still get level 1 for it with 3 'timing' errors, simply because music count is not 1!-2-3 1!-2-3, but 1!-2-3! 1-2!-3.

As for other teams, Chock/Bates 'Dark eyes' waltz have met all requirements, it's actually second rhythm (polka) judges suggested to change; so Igor decided to change the dance completely. The worst example, however, is Hubbel/Donohue, who skate their pattern to 4/4 song. They still didn't get deduction, though. But it doesn't mean it'll be the same at Worlds.

And it's not about tradition VS creative modern. It's only about music, rhythm and tempo requirements.

No, she was the Technical Controller, but she is the chair-holder of the technical committee for ice dancing, so I hope, she would have warned them.

Well, she definitely would say them if she would know, that's for sure. Let's hope for the best.

 

[bramweld]

Good catch. But if they violated the music requirement shouldn't they have been advised about this months ago? It almost seems like that would be negligent on the part of their FED, doesn't it?

 

[Snow63]

Good catch. But if they violated the music requirement shouldn't they have been advised about this months ago? It almost seems like that would be negligent on the part of their FED, doesn't it?

And why no one told Weaver/Poje that they skate to 6/8 music? Same goes for Chock/Bates, Hubbel/Donohue, and all the teams who actually received music and tempo violation deductions this season. It's hard to say why, I guess no one pays attention to this little detail, until it's too late

Edit: but all this talk is useless, until we know if STL is 6/8 for sure. Honestly, I would be glad if they will change it, what a bad fan I am :hopelessness:

 

[bramweld]

And why no one told Weaver/Poje that they skate to 6/8 music? Same goes for Chock/Bates, Hubbel/Donohue, and all the teams who actually received music and tempo violation deductions this season. It's hard to say why, I guess no one pays attention to this little detail, untill it's too late

Edit: but all this talk is useless, until we know if STL is 6/8 for sure. Honestly, I would be glad if they will change it, what a bad fan I am :hopelessness:

Little detail....:whack: