2017 JPG Croatia Cup Pairs FS
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I wanted a silver for G/X... but with B/K with gold. 
I am really happy for G/X though- I'm starting to seriously see real promise in these two. The rotations are exasperating as ever, but still improved, and their overall skating has really come along. I guess training in beijing with Zhao is really paying off!
They did 4 twist and 3sal-1/2-3sal combo jump. also 3T jump
I know, rotation on the sbs was also key. I was just mentioning since they had two falls and mistakes on both sbs. Very high potential, she in particular is very young too. I would hope we don't have to worry about their height difference since they have a very nice twist.
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A 3rd JGP, a 3rd different Russian winner but the Russian couple that I expected to be this seasons front runner is not among them. I like both of B/K's programmes but they have not be at 100% so far. They are still scoring and placing well so I think when they deliver there programmes as planned they will score big. They could be under pressure to make the JGPF
I enjoyed both of K/I's skates. The quad twist was amazing, so high and airy and caught very early. While they had falls, the jumps were fully rotated so they still scored well. I'm not convinced of this couples long term future, she is tiny, if she grows at all I can see all elements suffering. I liked the Chinese programme they skated it well, I think they expected more and seemed a bit disappointed with their score.
I was very disappointed for K/S. They looked nervous starting off. They were nowhere near the quad twist and they lost foucs for a while after that but they pulled it back at the end. They have a real quality and while I am bored of Exogensis at this point, their programme works for me
Roll on next week.
I enjoyed both of K/I's skates. The quad twist was amazing, so high and airy and caught very early. While they had falls, the jumps were fully rotated so they still scored well. I'm not convinced of this couples long term future, she is tiny, if she grows at all I can see all elements suffering. I liked the Chinese programme they skated it well, I think they expected more and seemed a bit disappointed with their score.
I was very disappointed for K/S. They looked nervous starting off. They were nowhere near the quad twist and they lost foucs for a while after that but they pulled it back at the end. They have a real quality and while I am bored of Exogensis at this point, their programme works for me
Roll on next week.
This seems to happen with all Russian pairs in the last few years. Atakhanova/Spiridonov, Mishina/Mirzoev and Borisova/Sopot also seemed to be great in their first season, and had some problems in their second season. Each of them different problems, for example M/M had problems with their relationship rather than with skating, B/S had problems with jumps (Borisova was coping with consequences of her ilness plus added puberty. Not sure what exactly were A/S’s problems, if it was her injury, or if they were just headcases. Nevertheless, all three pairs followed the same path - splitting up in or after the second competitive season. Let’s hope that Boykova/Kozlovski won’t follow the same path. They had first season great and second season is getting more difficult. It would probably help if the media weren’t trying to make such a big deal if a junior pair starts winning competitions. Coming to their second year with so many expectations on their shoulders is definitely not helping. Let’s hope it will get easier now when there is several pairs that won their events.
I was also disappointed with Kvartalova/Sviatchenko, because they are nowhere near as good as they were the last season. But their coach said in the interview that they were dealing with her injury, so they must have lost a lot of training time. Let’s hope that by the nationals they will be in their best form.
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Personally, I think that the split has gone to their advantage. It is very difficult to find a suitable partner for the first time. It is better to do it in juniors than in seniors. They got experience and made conclusions. Borisova / Sopot and in the debut season there were problems with jumps, and with the puberty it got worse, she never jumped triple. Now Sopot skates with Poluyanova and has already received somewhere around 161 points, this is much more than the best result of Poluyanov / Selkin (somewhere 140) and better than the result of B / S in their 1st stage. Mishina / Gallyamov also has good scores, good relations, everything is ahead of them. Stages this year did not receive Lyirova / Selkin and Mirzoev with his new partner.
The split may have created stronger pairs, but at this stage we don’t know how those pairs will be in their second season. I will enjoy them while it last, but last few years taught me that only tiny percentage will make it. But even if only let’s say one in four or one in five pairs made it, the numbers of good pairs guarantee that there will be some successful ones moving to seniors within a few years.
What I noticed is that on junior level the pair boys seem to think that they have to find as a tiny girl as possible. That means that they are going for younger and younger prepubescent girls, even if they themselves are approaching the time when they will soon age out of juniors. I would understand that 14 or 15 boy can’t lift a girl of similar age to his age, but if at 20 the boy still chooses 13 years old girl, that is not a great strategy. Firstly, when the boy ages out, the girl is not even senior eligible. Secondly, the puberty will mess up with her jumps, so even when she gets senior eligible there would be some struggle and it is better to go through this struggle in juniors than in seniors. Maisuradze was paired with Antipova and in an attempt to beat the puberty it ended with her anorexia. Zakroev (when he was not junior age eligible any more) was paired with 13 year old Kudryavtseva (luckily the partnership broke down). Miroshkin (after he aged out from juniors) was paired up with then 13 year old Yugai, and as she was not senior eligible and he was not junior eligible, they spent a year doing shows. We will see if they will compete this season at all. Mirzoev is going to be junior ineligible next season, and his new partner is 13 years old, which means that the next season he won’t be junior eligible and she won’t be senior eligible. Bobrov is also aging out next season, and chose also a very young partner. With him it doesn’t make much difference because he has a new partner every season, so he won’t skate with her the next season anyway. It seems to me that the guys go for as easy job as possible, and refuse to think about the long term consequences. If either of them wants to have any sort of career in seniors, at some stage they have to start learning the elements with at least 15 years old partner or older, who may be some 10-20 kilos heavier than the 13 year old, because the 13 year old will grow within a few years anyway. Galliamov has struggled to learn lifts with Mishina, but anything he learns now with heavier partner than he had before will be very useful for his long term future.
Let's hope Daria Pavluchenko and Polina Kostykovich will survive. Because, for example, also very cute girl Alisa Efimova is already 17yo or even older, but she is the same tiny girl. But maybe the bad side of puberty is about her jumps. As a single skater in the past, for some reason now she struggles with them.
It's too early to predict, but to me Amina and Lina Kudryavtseva have not bad chances to stay in the figure skating. Same about Dasha and Polina (but you never know how they will grow). I'm not sure about Mishina/Kvartalnova. And of course about Borisova. Her shape is very similar to Fedorova, which is also couldn't land triples.
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Efimova struggled with her jumps even when she was a single skater and was in the 2nd half of the table even in Finland. It is understandable why boys prefer small girls. Especially when they are not so old. Plus it's better to start learning pair skating with more light girl, because it's easy and won't break your back. Plus it's easier to learn pair elements when a girl is 13-14yo. Step by step their back and muscles become stronger and stronger and they can afford more heavy girl. Puberty hits not only girls in pairs but singles. But not only it, if you don't have jumps specialist and can't do triples before it, it would be really hard to do them after. So I'm so happy that there is one now in pair skating school in Perm. Fom this year I hope it will improve a lot Perm's fs
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