2023-24 Russian Women's Figure Skating

[Mathematician]

I just watched the Tutberidze show replays

Petrosian's new program is so cool. Very little empty choreo which impressed me the most. Her dancing ability is really increasing, she always had incredible placement and extension like any great skater but now her fluidity and control is really reaching dancer levels. I think Akateva being out this season has let Petrosian get properly ahead (but we'll see). I'm seeing a spark in her where I feel she could become the best we've seen. I really really cannot wait until next season.

I really liked Zagitova's new program too, the lyrical one "My Sweet & Tender Beast". Very enjoyable and she had surprising speed for being so long gone.

Dvoeglazova had nice music and good energy, really liked it. I hope she keeps her 4Lz so we can see another true master in seniors. Akateva looked smooth, hopes up for next season (surely not the career ending situation many were mulling over). And Trusova's Chopin was enjoyable and emotional.

I really love this sport. Next year is just gonna be amazing.

 

[Skating91]

I just watched the Tutberidze show replays

Petrosian's new program is so cool. Very little empty choreo which impressed me the most. Her dancing ability is really increasing, she always had incredible placement and extension like any great skater but now her fluidity and control is really reaching dancer levels. I think Akateva being out this season has let Petrosian get properly ahead (but we'll see). I'm seeing a spark in her where I feel she could become the best we've seen. I really really cannot wait until next season.

I really liked Zagitova's new program too, the lyrical one "My Sweet & Tender Beast". Very enjoyable and she had surprising speed for being so long gone.

Dvoeglazova had nice music and good energy, really liked it. I hope she keeps her 4Lz so we can see another true master in seniors. Akateva looked smooth, hopes up for next season (surely not the career ending situation many were mulling over). And Trusova's Chopin was enjoyable and emotional.

I really love this sport. Next year is just gonna be amazing.

Yeah next year will be great the Russian domestic season for the women. I don't think they will appear in international competition for 20 years (I won't get into why I can explain in DM), so have resigned myself to Russian Nationals being the premier event for women now for the next couple of decades. I think they have to create an event to run around the same time as the world championships or hold Russian Nationals in March, move the GP final to late December. This would energise the season. Add one more event in January/February maybe hold an all-Russian event somewhere like China make it a major trophy. I'm sure it would motivate the skaters to having an international domestic event in front of what would be a large audience, and there would be no problems for China. The ISU would not touch that.

If you look at the numbers for Petrosian she has no lost since the GP final 2023. No-one has come close to challenging her. There is so much room for improvement if she skates two perfect programs she maybe comes within 10 points of Valieva's all time record. I don't think she will break it she is not on that level, but she can get close. There's no denying her talent. She has already had a large growth spurt too, and has seemingly dealt with it easily. I thought 2022/23 would be her breakout year where she would dominate, but it was only injury that stopped her.

Akatieva looks great too. I don't know if she gets back ultra-c now she has grown a lot since 12 months ago, but her skating is quite beautiful. If she competes next season she would finish ahead of Frolova or Sinitsina assuming no ultra-c, so still good enough for top 3 assumign Zhilina doesn't return. However, the triple axel was so high, so she probably brings that or the 4T back. If just one it probably puts her slightly ahead of Muraviova.

I think Muraviova retains her triple axels, Peterosian will have a similar level to last season, Akatieva wih one ultra-c jump, Frolova and Sinitsina again, Sadkova if she is stable is a chance for Russian championships podium, Gorbacheva can maybe return ultra-c again.

Zagitova is still at a good level. She would have to pack on a lot of muscle to compete again, but would only take a summer of intense training.

I have the Yaroslavl show on Youtube on now and Petrosian is on doing Michael Jackson. She really is good. No senior in the world has this speed. Next season should be special.

If there were a domestic Russian event outside Russia I would definitely attend,

 

[Mathematician]

Yeah next year will be great the Russian domestic season for the women. I don't think they will appear in international competition for 20 years (I won't get into why I can explain in DM), so have resigned myself to Russian Nationals being the premier event for women now for the next couple of decades. I think they have to create an event to run around the same time as the world championships or hold Russian Nationals in March, move the GP final to late December. This would energise the season. Add one more event in January/February maybe hold an all-Russian event somewhere like China make it a major trophy. I'm sure it would motivate the skaters to having an international domestic event in front of what would be a large audience, and there would be no problems for China. The ISU would not touch that.

If you look at the numbers for Petrosian she has no lost since the GP final 2023. No-one has come close to challenging her. There is so much room for improvement if she skates two perfect programs she maybe comes within 10 points of Valieva's all time record. I don't think she will break it she is not on that level, but she can get close. There's no denying her talent. She has already had a large growth spurt too, and has seemingly dealt with it easily. I thought 2022/23 would be her breakout year where she would dominate, but it was only injury that stopped her.

Akatieva looks great too. I don't know if she gets back ultra-c now she has grown a lot since 12 months ago, but her skating is quite beautiful. If she competes next season she would finish ahead of Frolova or Sinitsina assuming no ultra-c, so still good enough for top 3 assumign Zhilina doesn't return. However, the triple axel was so high, so she probably brings that or the 4T back. If just one it probably puts her slightly ahead of Muraviova.

I think Muraviova retains her triple axels, Peterosian will have a similar level to last season, Akatieva wih one ultra-c jump, Frolova and Sinitsina again, Sadkova if she is stable is a chance for Russian championships podium, Gorbacheva can maybe return ultra-c again.

Zagitova is still at a good level. She would have to pack on a lot of muscle to compete again, but would only take a summer of intense training.

I have the Yaroslavl show on Youtube on now and Petrosian is on doing Michael Jackson. She really is good. No senior in the world has this speed. Next season should be special.

If there were a domestic Russian event outside Russia I would definitely attend,

I pretty much agree. It shouldn't be much of a challenge for the Russian fed to take big steps since the numbers surely support that RusNats its the premier of figure skating though Worlds did much better than I expected commercially which I'm actually quite happy about, especially for Malinin, and I dont mind Kaori also. I'd like to hear your reasoning in DM about why we wont see Russians for that long though. I thought it was almost a given that they will be there for the Olympics at this point? Or is that different... I'm not sure if ISU gets a say in if Russia competes or its just the Olympic committee - I suppose its likely the latter in which case we will definitely see them as neutral athletes at minimum in which case Petrosian's OGM is all but confirmed unless Akateva makes a nuclear comeback. Still, 2 decades seems like a long time. It could only be a loss to the ISU at that point.

I totally get the skepticism in Petrosian challenging Valieva. I suppose in raw tech I see that its unlikely but with 2 flips and a 3A in the FS I think its entirely possible. Most importantly I meant also just in general she might be reaching the same level of sophistication holistically as an artist which I never thought would happen (though a spin like Kamila's will likely never be seen again). I'm almost sure Akateva gets the 4T back at least, to see her taking anything but second next season would be a big surprise to me. I dont think Mura is going to be taking her over, though Mura still will be making podium for anyone else extremely difficult since shes getting quite stable now and this is post-growth while Sadkova still has a lot of development to get past and Zhilina is sort of a wild card at this point (plus the PCS gap). I also wonder whats going to be up with Zinina. And the usual second class are all amazing of course. Ah so much to consider for next season its going to be amazing.

 

[AlexBreeze]

Taisia Korobitsina has landed the 4S in training and it looks very good.

She might become the first skater who trains outside of Moscow and SPb to land a quad

She did it!!

 

[Mathematician]

She did it!!

Ahh and with juniors its going to be overwhelming even to keep up with all of the prodigies there are

 

[AlexBreeze]

Viktoria Morozova announced that she is going to have a knee surgery tomorrow.

 

[alexocfp]

I can only hope that Akatieva comes back as good as new next season.

Adeliia was certainly the deserved National Champion this season, but she didn’t need to go through the defending champion to win it.

Not saying that she wouldn't have won, we will never know, but personally I want to see this duel next season.

I’m sure Adeliia, being the competitor she is, wants to prove she is better than a healthy Akatieva too.

It’s also the reason I wanted Anna’s opponents to be upper echelon and at the top of their game every time they faced her. Anna’s legend was built partially by beating the greatest competition ever seen in this sport, in terms of quality and quantity.

 

[Azikin]

Yeah next year will be great the Russian domestic season for the women.

Hmmm, I certainly hope so. Though I have a feeling that the guys are more and more stealing attention by their competitions becoming more interesting that women competions. But surely return of Akatieva and maybe some others (I don't dare name) would help...

 

[AlexBreeze]

SPb junior skaters Anastasia Marasanova and Valeria Zorina switched to Dmitri Khromin (Moskvina FS Club)

 

[AlexBreeze]

Lyubov Rubtsova is also back!

 

[Mathematician]

Lyubov Rubtsova is also back!

Finally

 

[DougDorsey]

A couple of St. Petersburg girls have recently switched to the Figure Skating Sports Club of Tamara Moskvina.

Does anyone know if the club is part of SSHOR "Star Ice"?

If not, what organization is it formally affiliated with? Or does it have its own title?

 

[Mariott]

A couple of St. Petersburg girls have recently switched to the Figure Skating Sports Club of Tamara Moskvina.

Does anyone know if the club is part of SSHOR "Star Ice"?

If not, what organization is it formally affiliated with? Or does it have its own title?

No, it is an autonomous non-profit organization “Figure Skating Sports Club Tamara Moskvina”, it isn't affiliated with Star Ice.
This club is mainly engaged in training sports pairs, so it is very likely that these transferred skaters are considered as potential pair skaters.
A group of boys under the direction of Victoria Daineko also works here.

 

[AlexBreeze]

Lyubov Rubtsova switched to AoP

 

[Mathematician]

Lyubov Rubtsova switched to AoP

Sounds like a good idea to me. I think Rubtsova is an artist and AoP is where those types flourish.

Where was she before?

 

[AlexBreeze]

Where was she before?

Vasilevskiy & Lavrenchuk

 

[DougDorsey]

No, it is an autonomous non-profit organization “Figure Skating Sports Club Tamara Moskvina”, it isn't affiliated with Star Ice.
This club is mainly engaged in training sports pairs, so it is very likely that these transferred skaters are considered as potential pair skaters.
A group of boys under the direction of Victoria Daineko also works here.

Thanks for the info, @Mariott. It seems these girls have moved there to train under Dmitry Khromin. Is he focused on training singles?

 

[AlexBreeze]

Is he focused on training singles?

Yes he's coaching singles such as Nikolay Ugozhaev, Andrei Kutovoi and Sofia Pashko.

 

[DougDorsey]

A few questions on the Moscow and St. Petersburg event schedule...

1) Moscow had its Novice Younger Age Championships the week of January 15. St. Petersburg had its Novice Younger Age Championships the week of January 29. (Each event included both Older Group and Younger Group competitions.)

2) Moscow had its Novice Older Age Championships the week of March 4. St. Petersburg had its "Junior Championships" the week of February 26. Is St. Petersburg's Junior Championships the equivalent of Moscow's Novice Older Age Championships? Both are used to make their selections for Russian Novice Older Age Nationals?

3) St. Petersburg this week is currently having its "Championship among boys and girls." This only seems to go up to 2nd Sports Category. Do they not also have an event for the 1st Sports Category? And, also, I'm pretty sure Moscow does not have an equivalent to this event, right?

 

[AlexBreeze]

2) Moscow had its Novice Older Age Championships the week of March 4. St. Petersburg had its "Junior Championships" the week of February 26. Is St. Petersburg's Junior Championships the equivalent of Moscow's Novice Older Age Championships? Both are used to make their selections for Russian Novice Older Age Nationals?

They are both used to make the selections but they are differenent.

St.Petersburg's one is just normal junior championships with junior-level eligibity rules. There were skaters who weren't novice-eligible. The selection was made only among those who were willing and able to participate in novice nationals.

Moscow's event had novice-level eligibity rules and exists only because of the selection.

I'm not very experienced in watching novice competitions but as far as I remember before the competition in St. Petersburg was also just for the selection and was called ‘St. Petersburg Championship among boys and girls (older age)’. It seems to be replaced by junior championships last season. Last season there was even solid prize pool.

This only seems to go up to 2nd Sports Category. Do they not also have an event for the 1st Sports Category?

Yes this competition is for very young skaters.

Prior to this season, they held a similar competition called Peter the Great Cup. It was replaced this season.

In general, local competitions in St. Petersburg change a lot every season.

And, also, I'm pretty sure Moscow does not have an equivalent to this event, right?

They don't have an identical competition (and St Petersburg is holding it for the first time). The Moscow calendar is very different from St, Petersburg in general. I think the most similar competition is Battle of the Schools, as it has the same age group.